In classical mechanics, the spatial density d(x) of a particle moving under a conservation of energy law .5mv(x)v(x) + V(x) = E is proportional to 1/v(x). This is obtained from d(x)= dt/T, i.e. the probability to be at x equals the time spent at x divided by the cycle time T. Given that dx=vdt to first order, density is proportional to 1/v(x). Now, d(x) is supposed to match the time independent quantum mechanical density W(x)W(x), where W(x) is the wavefunction, for high energy levels. Thus, one would expect the time a p wave (plane wave) spends at a point should be part of time independent quantum mechanics, but it does not seem to be overtly present. Furthermore, there is the question of T for the quantum mechanical problem. It is known that even for a time-independent solution W(x) has a factor exp(iEt). Thus, it seems time is present, even if it disappears in the density W*(x)W(x). It is argued that W*(x)W(x) = P(x) where P is probability, but W(x) is related to conditional probabilities such as P(x/p) or P(p/x). Thus, these conditional probabilities should be related to time. In an earlier note, we tried to show the time-independent Schrodinger equation implies all p plane waves are cycling with the same frequency E. In this note, we try to find a quantum mechanical representation for P(x,p)=dt/T where dt(x,p) is the time spent at x by a plane wave p and also try to evaluate T.
In classical mechanics, the spatial density d(x) of a particle moving under a conservation of energy law .5mv(x)v(x) + V(x) = E is proportional to 1/v(x). This is obtained from d(x)= dt/T, i.e. the probability to be at x equals the time spent at x divided by the cycle time T. Given that dx=vdt to first order, density is proportional to 1/v(x). Now, d(x) is supposed to match the time independent quantum mechanical density W(x)W(x), where W(x) is the wavefunction, for high energy levels. Thus, one would expect the time a p wave (plane wave) spends at a point should be part of time independent quantum mechanics, but it does not seem to be overtly present. Furthermore, there is the question of T for the quantum mechanical problem. It is known that even for a time-independent solution W(x) has a factor exp(iEt). Thus, it seems time is present, even if it disappears in the density W*(x)W(x). It is argued that W*(x)W(x) = P(x) where P is probability, but W(x) is related to conditional probabilities such as P(x/p) or P(p/x). Thus, these conditional probabilities should be related to time. In an earlier note, we tried to show the time-independent Schrodinger equation implies all p plane waves are cycling with the same frequency E. In this note, we try to find a quantum mechanical representation for P(x,p)=dt/T where dt(x,p) is the time spent at x by a plane wave p and also try to evaluate T.
In bound state quantum mechanics, one has statistical observables (based on P(x) where P is probability) such as spatial density d(x), potential energy density V(x)d(x) and kinetic energy density .5mv(x)v(x) d(x), where v(x) is the classical velocity obtained from .5mv(x)v(x) + V(x) = E. (Kinetic energy density can also be written as -1/2m W(x) d/dx d/dx W(x) where W(x) is the wavefunction). The energy of a state can be obtained by integrating these statistical observables i.e. Integral dx d(x) V(x) + Integral dx d(x) .5mv(x)v(x) = E. If one performs this integration for two different states, one may calculate the energy difference. This begs the question: why does quantum mechanics deal with conditional probabilities such as P(p/x) directly related to W(x)? The issue perhaps begins with the appearance of V(x) and E in the time independent Schrodinger equation. Kinetic energy (not kinetic energy density) should appear and be somehow linked to some motion. A question arises as to why the energy density is proportional to the spatial density i.e. Energy density = E d(x)? This is directly linked to the time-independent Schrodinger equation, but one may try to argue that classical energy conservation .5mv(x)v(x) + V(x) = E at each point x should hold in quantum mechanics with .5mv(x)v(x) equal to Sum over p p*p/2m P(p/x) where P(p/x) = fp exp(ipx)/W(x). If one, however, considers excited states written as Wn(x)= Wo(x)Hn(x) where Wo(x) is the ground state wavefunction, one finds that: -1/2m d/dx d/dx Hn(x) - 1/m [d/dx Wo(x)]/Wo(x) [d/dx Hn(x)] = E1 Hn(x) ((1)) In other words, an eigenvalue equation appears again with no V(x) present. If one assumes Hn(x) has physical meaning (i.e. is related to a phonon or photon), then ((1)) may suggest there is a physical principle in place, i.e. the idea that one must have a “constant” energy at each point x. Here E1 is strictly kinetic energy (although not all of it). This “principle” has consequences as it restricts the values of E1 (i.e. discrete eigenvalues) and leads often to a periodic Hn(x) which has direct effect on kinetic energy density and potential energy density. Thus, having Hn(x) interact with Wo(x) to produce a constant energy E1 times Hn(x) does affect kinetic and energy densities at each x point, just not kinetic energy itself (it is constant i.e. E1). The purpose of this note is to examine this possible principle behind quantum mechanics.
n an earlier note (1), it was argued the time-independent Schrodinger equation may be written in a momentum form by using W(x)=Sum over p fp exp(ipx)= wavefunction and V(x)=Sum over p Vp exp(ipx). This lead to an equation for each plane wave of the form: p*p/2m fp + Sum over j+k=p Vj fk = E fp ((1)). In this note, we try to argue that ((1)) does not need to follow from the time-independent Schrodinger equation, but rather seems to be a consequence of fp, which is related to conditional probability P(p/x).
In a series of notes (1), we argued that the time-independent Schrodinger equation may be considered as a statistical conservation of average energy equation. We further argued that V(x)=Sum over k Vk exp(ikx) delivers stochastic potential hits which create a momentum distribution W(x)= Sum over p a(p) exp(ipx) at each x. The form exp(ipx) describes a free particle and a statistical distribution is made of such free particles. The form exp(ipx) has a modulus of 1 indicating that P(x)=constant. d/dx exp(ipx) = ip suggesting the change in conditional probability with space is related to classical momentum. Given a momentum distribution, each p at x occurs at a different time. Thus, one does not follow a classical particle in time x(t), nevertheless an average energy conservation equation applies. Taking the time-independent Schrodinger equation E W = -1/2m d/dx d/dx W + V(x) W and writing EW = i d/dt exp(-iEt), one obtains a time-dependent equation. We argue that if the time-independent case represents a classical conservation of average energy, the time-dependent equation should be linked to Newton’s equation of motion. This immediately leads to a problem because we argue one does not want x(t) for a statistical system. As a result, x in the time-dependent Schrodinger equation, which represented spatial position before, now represents a spatial variable that is independent of time. We consider the oscillator case and note that an amplitude is such a candidate where x(t)=XA(t). Thus, the time-dependent Schrodinger equation ultimately becomes an equation in A(t) with the amplitude cancelling, at least in the free particle and oscillator case. From such a consideration, one may work “backwards” and find a function for which the time-dependent Schrodinger equation (equating powers of X) becomes Newton’s second law. From this, one may show that exp(i Action) where Action = Integral dt1 (0,t) L where L is the classical Lagrangian is this solution with d/dX applying to X which is an amplitude, not x(t).
In the literature, stochastic approaches employed to derive the Schrodinger equation seem to focus on the idea of a classical spatial density which depends on time and space ie. density(x,t). As a result, d/dt (partial) density appears in various equations such as the continuity and Focker Planck equations. At one point in the derivation the quantum wavefunction is introduced “mathematically” as W(x,t)=sqrt(density(x,t)) exp(i S(x,t)) where S is related to a velocity field through u(x,t)=velocity= d/dx S. From quantum mechanics, -Et becomes a term of S the velocity field. The stochastic/hydrodynamical approaches employ the term du/dt partial = d/dt (partial) d/dx S and then “pull out”” d/dx leaving d/dt (partial) S which yields -E average energy from the -Et term. In this note we argue that for a bound quantum state density(x) so d/dt (partial) density = 0, yet the statistical ideas of quantum mechanics should be present in such a case. Furthermore for the free particle wavefunction exp(ipx-iEt), density=1. In fact, the Schrodinger equation should follow for a free particle even the case of density=1. Stochastic processes seem to be based on equations which consider a change in classical spatial density at a point x in time due to flow in or out or stochastic changes. Quantum processes seem to deal with periodic probability changes from one dimension to another exp(ipx) (2 dimensions) which are somehow related to a physical process of momentum flow. Ultimately one links this process to an energy conservation which does not seem to be the same as a classical stochastic/hydrodynamical approach. In this note we argue that a free particle with a constant momentum p has periodic stochastic processes associated with it through its complex probability change in the region of its wavelength, but that these are linked to creating the momentum p. Furthermore momentum is linked to energy so we argue that the Schrodinger equation is a stochastic equation linking energy and momentum and that time and space are separated i.e. there is no situation of following a change in spatial density in time for a free particle with momentum p. For a bound state, one has a distribution of free particles, but again time is removed from the problem in the sense that it only appears in exp(-iEt) in the wavefunction to again establish a relationship between energy and average momentum and potential. There is again no nonzero d/dt (partial) density term which seems to be key in stochastic equations. Only if one takes a linear combination of energy eigenstates Sum over En an(En) exp(-iEnt) Wn(x) does one obtain the form density(x,t), but we argue that quantum features should already appear in exp(ipx) and the bound state scenario with a zero d/dt (partial) density(x,t). We argue, however, that the Schrodinger equation and fundamental stochastic ideas of quantum mechanics should already be present at the level of exp(ipx).
In this note, we wish to examine how the variance of u(x)= [Sum over p p fp exp(ipx)] / [ Sum over p fp exp(ipx)] namely: P(x) Conditional Variance(p) changes as one moves from one point to another. If one tries to eliminate u(x) from the first order change, one obtains d/dx P(x) = 2 u(x) P(x) which is a quantum mechanical result. This also leads to the change in the variance depending only on the force and kinetic energy. d/dx P(x)=2 u(x) P(x) also dictates how Shannon’s spatial entropy changes from point to point. Thus, it seems that the time-independent Schrodinger equation may be thought of in terms of changes in entropy density. The ideas here are a little different from those of (1).
The time-independent Schrodinger equation: En= -1/2m [d/dx dWn/dx] / Wn(x) + V(x) ((1)) matches a classical conservation of energy equation where -1/2m [d/dx dWn/dx] / Wn(x) = KEclassical(x). In classical physics, however, one has x(t) so each x point is associated with a specific t for a given energy En. In the quantum time-independent equation, one has exp(-iEnt) as the time dependent factor and does not consider any link with x although if one is comparing ((1)) to a classical conservation equation then a link between x and t could be made to complete the analogy. This is usually not considered, but we examine this point as we argue it becomes important in the time-dependent situation. For the time-dependent Schrodinger case we consider two approaches. First, a linear combination of time independent solutions is taken i.e. W(x,t) = Sum over n an(En) exp(-iEnt) Wn(x) ((2)) Again each Wn(x) has an association with KEclassical(x) and so one may think in terms of (x,t) classical pairs for a given En. The second approach is to consider the function: exp(-iEnt + m Integral (0,x) v(y) dy) ((3)). This satisfies the time-dependent Schrodinger equation and yields a classical conservation of energy equation with v(x) being the classical velocity. Noting that En= .5m v(x)v(x) + V(x), ((3)) may be rewritten as: exp(i Integral L dt) where L = T-V is the Langrangian with T=.5mv(x)v(x). At this point En has been removed from the picture, but is replaced with: x(t)= X g(t)/g(T) ((4)) where (X,T) are a space-time pair corresponding to a particular energy E value. Using exp(i Action) ((5)) in the time-dependent Schrodinger equation yields a conservation equation which holds for a particular classical energy as long as (x,t) values in the equation are classically linked to the appropriate classical (X,T) values i.e. for a classical trajectory there is a specific family of X at time T for a given energy. For another energy, there is another family of (X,T) pairs. Thus the equation obtained represents energy conservation for many different energy values depending on which simultaneous values one uses for x and t. There is, however, no overlap as a specific (X,T) family corresponds to an energy E and another nonoverlapping family of (X,T) to another energy. This, however, is the same situation as ((2)) for which there are also families of (X,T) corresponding to each En. The only difference is that the En are quantized i.e. discrete. ((3)) and ((5)) are both solutions to the time-dependent Schrodinger equation which represent a variety of energies and families of (X,T) associated to the classical solution of the energy in question. We thus suggest that ((2)) and ((4)) are equivalent for this reason without using the idea of a complete set of basis functions represented by Wn(x). We consider these ideas as the Schrodinger propagator is given by ((5)), but with ((4)) generalized to: x(t)= Xi g(tf-t)/g(tf-ti) + Xf g(t-ti)/g(tf-ti) for the case that g(0)=0 (2) so that Xi,Xf, tf and ti enter the picture. This then should be equivalent to: Sum over n exp(-iEntf) Wn(xf) Wn* (xi) ((6)) In this note, we suggest that one may link ((5)) and ((6)) based on ideas of space-time families associated with different energies as well as the two being solutions of the time-dependent Schrodinger equation.