In this note, we wish to examine how the variance of u(x)= [Sum over p p fp exp(ipx)] / [ Sum over p fp exp(ipx)] namely: P(x) Conditional Variance(p) changes as one moves from one point to another. If one tries to eliminate u(x) from the first order change, one obtains d/dx P(x) = 2 u(x) P(x) which is a quantum mechanical result. This also leads to the change in the variance depending only on the force and kinetic energy. d/dx P(x)=2 u(x) P(x) also dictates how Shannon’s spatial entropy changes from point to point. Thus, it seems that the time-independent Schrodinger equation may be thought of in terms of changes in entropy density. The ideas here are a little different from those of (1).
In this note, we wish to examine how the variance of u(x)= [Sum over p p fp exp(ipx)] / [ Sum over p fp exp(ipx)] namely: P(x) Conditional Variance(p) changes as one moves from one point to another. If one tries to eliminate u(x) from the first order change, one obtains d/dx P(x) = 2 u(x) P(x) which is a quantum mechanical result. This also leads to the change in the variance depending only on the force and kinetic energy. d/dx P(x)=2 u(x) P(x) also dictates how Shannon’s spatial entropy changes from point to point. Thus, it seems that the time-independent Schrodinger equation may be thought of in terms of changes in entropy density. The ideas here are a little different from those of (1).
In previous notes, we suggested that quantum bound states may be analysed in terms of the conditional probability P(p/x)= a(p)exp(ipx)/W(x) (where W(x) is the wavefunction) which allows for the calculation of average kinetic energy at each point x i.e. [Sum over p pp/2m P(p/x)]/ W(x). This added to V(x) yields E (average energy) at each x and yields the time-independent Schrodinger equation). We argued that probability is handled at the level of W(x)=Sum over p a(p) exp(ipx). Measurements (even internal) may knock a particle from one p1 state to another so another set of probabilities (P(x) and P(p)) arise, P(x) being based on: a(p1)exp(i p1x) exp(i p2x). Averages of f(p,x) follow from P(x) f(p,x) P(p/x). Thus, there are two sets of probabilities in quantum mechanics. Entropic dynamics (1) appears to begin with the probability P(x) and considers a transition probability P(x1 |x) with x1-x= an infinitesimal quantity. A product of transition probabilities is then taken to allow for finite x1-x differences. It is stated in (1) that there exists information about x but not p. The maximization of entropy density may be used to determine the form of P(x1 | x). A “drift velocity” is also included (which is later shown to be related to the phase of the wavefunction). Ultimately, the Schrodinger equation is also obtained. We argue one may use P(p/x) to also calculate P(x1 | x) and compare this result with that obtained through the maximization of entropy density. A type of drift velocity appears naturally in this approach. We argue that the form a(p)exp(ipx) already incorporates statistical ideas (i.e. maximum entropy) in that the modulus of exp(ipx) is identical for all x, endowing all x points with a “kind” of equivalent status. exp(ipx) is a function of p and x because one must calculate average kinetic energy at each x and this must change with x i.e. KEave(x) + V(x) = E. Thus, we think there are strong similarities between entropic dynamics and the approach of using P(p/x). There are also some differences in that the coefficient A of delta(x)delta(x) in P(x1 | x) = 1/Z exp{ A delta(x)delta(x) + B d Phi/dx delta(x)} is treated as independent of x in entropic dynamics, but is a specific function of x (related to d ln(W)/dx d ln(W)/dx + 1/W d/dx d/dx W) in the P(p/x) approach.
In the literature, stochastic approaches employed to derive the Schrodinger equation seem to focus on the idea of a classical spatial density which depends on time and space ie. density(x,t). As a result, d/dt (partial) density appears in various equations such as the continuity and Focker Planck equations. At one point in the derivation the quantum wavefunction is introduced “mathematically” as W(x,t)=sqrt(density(x,t)) exp(i S(x,t)) where S is related to a velocity field through u(x,t)=velocity= d/dx S. From quantum mechanics, -Et becomes a term of S the velocity field. The stochastic/hydrodynamical approaches employ the term du/dt partial = d/dt (partial) d/dx S and then “pull out”” d/dx leaving d/dt (partial) S which yields -E average energy from the -Et term. In this note we argue that for a bound quantum state density(x) so d/dt (partial) density = 0, yet the statistical ideas of quantum mechanics should be present in such a case. Furthermore for the free particle wavefunction exp(ipx-iEt), density=1. In fact, the Schrodinger equation should follow for a free particle even the case of density=1. Stochastic processes seem to be based on equations which consider a change in classical spatial density at a point x in time due to flow in or out or stochastic changes. Quantum processes seem to deal with periodic probability changes from one dimension to another exp(ipx) (2 dimensions) which are somehow related to a physical process of momentum flow. Ultimately one links this process to an energy conservation which does not seem to be the same as a classical stochastic/hydrodynamical approach. In this note we argue that a free particle with a constant momentum p has periodic stochastic processes associated with it through its complex probability change in the region of its wavelength, but that these are linked to creating the momentum p. Furthermore momentum is linked to energy so we argue that the Schrodinger equation is a stochastic equation linking energy and momentum and that time and space are separated i.e. there is no situation of following a change in spatial density in time for a free particle with momentum p. For a bound state, one has a distribution of free particles, but again time is removed from the problem in the sense that it only appears in exp(-iEt) in the wavefunction to again establish a relationship between energy and average momentum and potential. There is again no nonzero d/dt (partial) density term which seems to be key in stochastic equations. Only if one takes a linear combination of energy eigenstates Sum over En an(En) exp(-iEnt) Wn(x) does one obtain the form density(x,t), but we argue that quantum features should already appear in exp(ipx) and the bound state scenario with a zero d/dt (partial) density(x,t). We argue, however, that the Schrodinger equation and fundamental stochastic ideas of quantum mechanics should already be present at the level of exp(ipx).
In this note, we examine the behaviour of Shannon’s entropy density for some examples in quantum mechanics. We start with a quasiparticle probability P(x and p) = W(x) fp exp(ipx) (where W(x) is the wavefunction given by Sum over p fp exp(ipx)) and obtain a Shannon’s entropy (after summing on p) : Total entropy density = -P(x) ln(P(x)) - P(p) ln(P(p)) - W(x) x d/dx W(x) ((1)) It may be noted that if f(p)=f(-p) ((1)) may also be written as: Total entropy density = -P(x) ln(P(x)) - P(p) ln(P(p)) - fp p d/dp fp We consider the cases of a particle in a box with an infinite potential at the walls and the harmonic oscillator ground state. Finally we consider the influence of u(x)= [d/dx W(x)]/W(x) on the spatial change of Shannon’s spatial entropy as W(x) and u(x) are often periodic and this leads to a periodic entropy density. In general, entropy is obtained by integrating the entropy density and one may question whether one should examine the density at all. In (1), however, entropy density is considered and it seems that there are some interesting properties of Shannon’s entropy density in quantum systems. Furthermore, there has been some recent work in the literature which makes use of entropy density to create an extra potential term for the Schrodinger equation in cases of temperature.
The Schrodinger equation, a partial differential equation in W(x,t) the wavefunction, was developed by Schrodinger from ideas of L. de Broglie and then given the interpretation of probability Probability(x,t)= W*(x,t)W(x,t) by M. Born. In this note we ask whether the form P(x)=W*(x)W(x) together with P(p)=a*(p)a(p) such that W(x)=Sum over p a(p)exp(ipx) follows from quantum thermodynamics. In particular we concentrate on a quantum adiabatic transformation and insist it be one of no entropy change (as in (1)). The quantum spatial density of a particle in a box with infinite potential depends on L as P(x)= 1/L density(x/L) (bound state). Thus Shannon’s entropy simply using P(x) is L dependent. One needs P(x)P(p) in addition to the first term changing by ln(1/L) and the second by ln(L) in order to remove L dependence during an adiabatic expansion. Similar considerations hold for the quantum simple harmonic oscillator (2). Thus the idea of a P(x) and P(p) which are linked (not independent) immediately follows form quantum thermodynamics as does the form of entropy S=Sx+Sp. As a result it seems that if one deals with probability, one must not only consider conditional probability, but also a transformation function f(px) which allows for inverse dependencies on p and x on a parameter. These ideas together with P(p/x)=P(x and p) / P(x) ((1a)) and P*(x/p) = P(x and p) / P(p) lead, we argue, to the form P(x)=W*(x)W(x) and P(p)=a*(p)a(p) where W(x)=Sum over p a(p) exp(ipx). We considered the approach of conditional probabilities in an earlier note (3), but did not give motivation for using them or the form exp(ipx). Rather we brought them in as assumptions, assuming that there should be both a P(p) and P(x). In this note, we argue that they seem to follow from the idea of quantum thermodynamics and a zero entropy change along an adiabatic path i.e. one which does not change the quantum bound state n.
In a series of notes (1), we argued that the time-independent Schrodinger equation may be considered as a statistical conservation of average energy equation. We further argued that V(x)=Sum over k Vk exp(ikx) delivers stochastic potential hits which create a momentum distribution W(x)= Sum over p a(p) exp(ipx) at each x. The form exp(ipx) describes a free particle and a statistical distribution is made of such free particles. The form exp(ipx) has a modulus of 1 indicating that P(x)=constant. d/dx exp(ipx) = ip suggesting the change in conditional probability with space is related to classical momentum. Given a momentum distribution, each p at x occurs at a different time. Thus, one does not follow a classical particle in time x(t), nevertheless an average energy conservation equation applies. Taking the time-independent Schrodinger equation E W = -1/2m d/dx d/dx W + V(x) W and writing EW = i d/dt exp(-iEt), one obtains a time-dependent equation. We argue that if the time-independent case represents a classical conservation of average energy, the time-dependent equation should be linked to Newton’s equation of motion. This immediately leads to a problem because we argue one does not want x(t) for a statistical system. As a result, x in the time-dependent Schrodinger equation, which represented spatial position before, now represents a spatial variable that is independent of time. We consider the oscillator case and note that an amplitude is such a candidate where x(t)=XA(t). Thus, the time-dependent Schrodinger equation ultimately becomes an equation in A(t) with the amplitude cancelling, at least in the free particle and oscillator case. From such a consideration, one may work “backwards” and find a function for which the time-dependent Schrodinger equation (equating powers of X) becomes Newton’s second law. From this, one may show that exp(i Action) where Action = Integral dt1 (0,t) L where L is the classical Lagrangian is this solution with d/dX applying to X which is an amplitude, not x(t).
In classical statistical mechanics, C exp[ -( mv*v/2 + V(x))/T) represents density i.e. the probability for a particle to have a velocity v and be at x. If applies this probability to Shannon’s entropy formula, one obtains C/T ( mv*v/2 + V(x)) exp[ -( mv*v/2 + V(x))/T) + exp[ -( mv*v/2 + V(x))/T) ln(C). Thus, it seems energy times density + density times ln(C) is the entropy density, a well known result in classical statistical mechanics, although sometimes not explicitly stated. The first term integrated over x is essentially the kinetic energy, while the second integrated over velocity yields the potential energy term. Thus, the first term partial density seems to be a purely momentum dependent kinetic energy piece times probability and the second a purely x dependent potential energy piece. (There is still an integral over velocity for the first term and one over x for the second to obtain the full entropy.) In quantum mechanics, we argue that a(p1)exp(ip1 x) a(p2) exp(ip2 x) serves as the probability where W(x)=Sum over p a(p) exp(ipx) = wavefunction. This leads to an expression for entropy density with two terms, one of which may be immediately integrated over momentum and the other over space. If one wishes to make a link to the classical statistical mechanical case, one may ask what requirement is necessary for the momentum related piece to represent average kinetic energy and the spatial part, average potential energy. The requirement, we find, yields the wavefunction of the ground state harmonic oscillator. For other cases, the partial density is not equivalent to average energy. Thus, we try to establish a link between entropy density and energy density, but require the kinetic energy related term to be strictly a function of momentum and the potential related term strictly one of x. In quantum mechanics, one may form averages at a point x. For example, KEave(x)= [Sum over p p*p/2m a(p) exp(ipx)]/W(x). If one examines a p/-p pair with a(p)=a(-p) (for example), cos(px) terms arise which are positive at some x and negative at others. We argued in previous notes that this represents stochastic flow in the opposite direction from that expected by -dV/dx. In other words, -dV/dx is an average which consists of stochastic force addends which may give momentum hits to the right or left, but which add to yield -dV/dx. As a result, one may have negative contributions to the kinetic energy (and density as well). In this note, we argue one may also have negative contributions to the entropy density due to this phenomenon.