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Comment on "On the emergence of preferred structures in quantum theory" by Soulas, Franzmann, and Di Biagio

Cristi Stoica

Published Jan 1, 2026• 0 citations
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This reply is also a friendly introduction to the impossibility of emergence of preferred structures from the Hamiltonian $\mathsf{H}$ and the unit vector $|ψ\rangle$ only. The obstructions to emergence are illustrated on the concrete construction of a tensor product structure (TPS) from Soulas et al., 2025 (arXiv:2512.07468v2). Soulas et al. offer their TPS as a counterexample to the proof from Stoica, 2022a (arXiv:2102.08620) that structures constructed only from $\mathsf{H}$ and $|ψ\rangle$ either contradict physical observations or can't describe them unambiguously. Soulas et al.'s construction of a unique TPS can't be both invariant and compatible with physical observations, so it can't be a counterexample. Its incompatibility becomes visible by examining how the relation between $|ψ(t)\rangle$ and the TPS, encoding the entanglement, changes in time. Therefore their TPS doesn't refute, but confirms (Stoica, 2022a). Besides this, since Soulas et al.'s method to construct preferred structures consists of choosing their invariants, by the same logic one could claim as well that the masses of elementary particles emerge uniquely just by fixing their values by hand. Soulas et al.'s construction is concrete and can illustrate the major obstructions for emergent structures, confirming them despite doing the best possible to avoid them. This makes it an excellent pedagogical tool to illustrate the trilemma, but also the relational and structural aspects of quantum theory and its symmetries.

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We assess the possibilities offered by Hilbert space fundamentalism, an attitude towards quantum physics according to which all physical structures (e.g. subsystems, locality, spacetime, preferred observables) should emerge from minimal quantum ingredients (typically a Hilbert space, Hamiltonian, and state). As a case study, we first mainly focus on the specific question of whether the Hamiltonian can uniquely determine a tensor product structure, a crucial challenge in the growing field of quantum mereology. The present paper reviews, clarifies, and critically examines two apparently conflicting theorems by Cotler et al. and Stoica. We resolve the tension, show how the former has been widely misinterpreted and why the latter is correct only in some weaker version. We then propose a correct mathematical way to address the general problem of preferred structures in quantum theory, relative to the characterization of emergent objects by unitary-invariant properties. Finally, we apply this formalism in the particular case we started with, and show that a Hamiltonian and a state are enough structure to uniquely select a preferred tensor product structure.

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Self-Certification in the Collision Architecture: the Blindness Group, its Collapse Conditions, and the Gauge of the Stoica Degeneracy

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Version 1 (first deposit, 2026-08). 19 pages. Every quantitative claim traces to a pre-registered evidence block with an archived log in the companion zip; the ledger of failed predictions is an appendix of the paper. A long-running dispute asks whether a quantum world selects its own decomposition into subsystems from the Hamiltonian and the state alone. Stoica (Adv. Theor. Math. Phys. 26, 3895 (2022)) proves that a structure so constructed cannot be both essentially unique and physically relevant, the non-uniqueness being modulo the unitaries commuting with H; Soulas, Franzmann and Di Biagio (arXiv:2512.07468) object that producing a second structure that way modifies the input pair, and prove a positive uniqueness theorem under two hypotheses. Both are correct, about different groups, and this paper makes the difference arithmetic. Working inside the collision architecture of the companion flagship (doi:10.5281/zenodo.22014601, all versions), where an interior memory writes records of a system and audits itself from them, the two invariance groups an interior audit actually has are measured. FIRST, the audit's Hamiltonian-side content is exactly constant on the orbits of the commutant of H, the fibres of the transport map are exactly those orbits, and the resulting gauge has the closed form sum_i m_i^2 - 1 in the eigenvalue multiplicities: the degeneracy has a computable size, three dimensions inside sixteen for a generic four-level Hamiltonian, five at (2,3), and larger exactly when the symmetry group is NON-ABELIAN (Heisenberg gives nine; abelian symmetry forces no spectral degeneracy). SECOND, the audit's total content is invariant not under that commutant but under the stabiliser of the PAIR (H, psi), which is trivial precisely under the Soulas hypotheses: the orbit holds the Hamiltonian side fixed to 2.7e-15 and pays for the second structure entirely on the state side, 1.14. The stabiliser formula quantifies exactly when their free-action condition holds and by how many dimensions it fails otherwise. THIRD, the record statistics carry their own blindness: the directions invisible to the census, whatever the state and the time, form a group, and for a register read in one basis per cell it is exactly span{I, T} at every fragment count, proved by a symplectic argument over F_2 requiring no induction -- in this deposit, by two algorithmically independent F_2 implementations plus a dense-matrix verification. That scope is the result rather than a caveat: the one-bit blindness is the price of a one-basis readout, and it is the only thing that price buys; reading a second basis on every cell collapses the group to the identity and credentials the full matrix algebra. The twist is the product of the observer's own precession with all of its own readouts, T = P R_1 ... R_k exactly, so the blindness group is the CENTRE of the credentialed algebra: an interior observer cannot see the centre its own operations generate. The credentialed algebra is everything commuting with that one bit, of dimension d^2/2. Blindness under this reading is an identity and not a similarity: for T in the blindness group the census under rho and under T rho T-dagger agrees exactly at trace distance 0.740, so no additional sampling can separate them. The paper prints the response functional every margin and census count is computed from, together with its grid and state. Around the group sit its measured collapse conditions: the price list of restorations (menus that eject the twist restore visibility at costs that double register by register, 10/20/40 contexts on the z-menu and 4/8/16 on the y/z-menu at k = 2, 3, 4, stated as observed at three points, not derived); the sorting condition for which twist configurations a restoration menu revives, named as reach membership of the displacement in the Krylov closure of the menu (63/63 exact at k = 2 in three independent engines, 255/255 at k = 3 in exact rational arithmetic; an all-time reach lemma proves the decision grid decision-faithful and shows it deliberately not span-complete); the genericity of visibility (the blindness locus is a union of alignment strata computed in part: a QND family at the minimal codimension 2 and twist families indexed by subsets of cells at codimension 2k, with a bounded search that surfaced a mixed partial-twist family the hand count had missed); and both branches of the open-world dichotomy reproduced from the group definition alone. The transport side is independently rebuilt: the W-alone computation the framework's kill switch depends on was reconstructed from the printed setting alone and the switch does not fire. A closing section isolates the mechanism shared with an earlier half-space result and shows, against the natural reading, that the two halves are distinct subspaces meeting in a quarter: one lemma, distinct instances. All quantitative claims were pre-registered before their runs. The ledger of failed predictions is an appendix and is kept in full, including a posted mechanism that died, a symmetry law corrected to Schur's criterion, a numerics trap caught only because a posted claim came back wrong, engine deaths from the exact-census campaign convicted by their own gates, and errors printed in earlier drafts and caught in review. The delineation of what is inherited from the literature is stated throughout; the paper asserts no priority claims.

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This reply is also a friendly introduction to the impossibility of emergence of preferred structures from the Hamiltonian H\mathsf{H}H and the unit vector ∣ψ⟩|ψ\rangle∣ψ⟩ only. The obstructions to emergence are illustrated on the concrete construction of a tensor product structure (TPS) from Soulas et al., 2025 (arXiv:2512.07468v2). Soulas et al. offer their TPS as a counterexample to the proof from Stoica, 2022a (arXiv:2102.08620) that structures constructed only from H\mathsf{H}H and ∣ψ⟩|ψ\rangle∣ψ⟩ either contradict physical observations or can't describe them unambiguously. Soulas et al.'s construction of a unique TPS can't be both invariant and compatible with physical observations, so it can't be a counterexample. Its incompatibility becomes visible by examining how the relation between ∣ψ(t)⟩|ψ(t)\rangle∣ψ(t)⟩ and the TPS, encoding the entanglement, changes in time. Therefore their TPS doesn't refute, but confirms (Stoica, 2022a). Besides this, since Soulas et al.'s method to construct preferred structures consists of choosing their invariants, by the same logic one could claim as well that the masses of elementary particles emerge uniquely just by fixing their values by hand. Soulas et al.'s construction is concrete and can illustrate the major obstructions for emergent structures, confirming them despite doing the best possible to avoid them. This makes it an excellent pedagogical tool to illustrate the trilemma, but also the relational and structural aspects of quantum theory and its symmetries.
We assess the possibilities offered by Hilbert space fundamentalism, an attitude towards quantum physics according to which all physical structures (e.g. subsystems, locality, spacetime, preferred observables) should emerge from minimal quantum ingredients (typically a Hilbert space, Hamiltonian, and state). As a case study, we first mainly focus on the specific question of whether the Hamiltonian can uniquely determine a tensor product structure, a crucial challenge in the growing field of quantum mereology. The present paper reviews, clarifies, and critically examines two apparently conflicting theorems by Cotler et al. and Stoica. We resolve the tension, show how the former has been widely misinterpreted and why the latter is correct only in some weaker version. We then propose a correct mathematical way to address the general problem of preferred structures in quantum theory, relative to the characterization of emergent objects by unitary-invariant properties. Finally, we apply this formalism in the particular case we started with, and show that a Hamiltonian and a state are enough structure to uniquely select a preferred tensor product structure.
Version 1 (first deposit, 2026-08). 19 pages. Every quantitative claim traces to a pre-registered evidence block with an archived log in the companion zip; the ledger of failed predictions is an appendix of the paper. A long-running dispute asks whether a quantum world selects its own decomposition into subsystems from the Hamiltonian and the state alone. Stoica (Adv. Theor. Math. Phys. 26, 3895 (2022)) proves that a structure so constructed cannot be both essentially unique and physically relevant, the non-uniqueness being modulo the unitaries commuting with H; Soulas, Franzmann and Di Biagio (arXiv:2512.07468) object that producing a second structure that way modifies the input pair, and prove a positive uniqueness theorem under two hypotheses. Both are correct, about different groups, and this paper makes the difference arithmetic. Working inside the collision architecture of the companion flagship (doi:10.5281/zenodo.22014601, all versions), where an interior memory writes records of a system and audits itself from them, the two invariance groups an interior audit actually has are measured. FIRST, the audit's Hamiltonian-side content is exactly constant on the orbits of the commutant of H, the fibres of the transport map are exactly those orbits, and the resulting gauge has the closed form sum_i m_i^2 - 1 in the eigenvalue multiplicities: the degeneracy has a computable size, three dimensions inside sixteen for a generic four-level Hamiltonian, five at (2,3), and larger exactly when the symmetry group is NON-ABELIAN (Heisenberg gives nine; abelian symmetry forces no spectral degeneracy). SECOND, the audit's total content is invariant not under that commutant but under the stabiliser of the PAIR (H, psi), which is trivial precisely under the Soulas hypotheses: the orbit holds the Hamiltonian side fixed to 2.7e-15 and pays for the second structure entirely on the state side, 1.14. The stabiliser formula quantifies exactly when their free-action condition holds and by how many dimensions it fails otherwise. THIRD, the record statistics carry their own blindness: the directions invisible to the census, whatever the state and the time, form a group, and for a register read in one basis per cell it is exactly span{I, T} at every fragment count, proved by a symplectic argument over F_2 requiring no induction -- in this deposit, by two algorithmically independent F_2 implementations plus a dense-matrix verification. That scope is the result rather than a caveat: the one-bit blindness is the price of a one-basis readout, and it is the only thing that price buys; reading a second basis on every cell collapses the group to the identity and credentials the full matrix algebra. The twist is the product of the observer's own precession with all of its own readouts, T = P R_1 ... R_k exactly, so the blindness group is the CENTRE of the credentialed algebra: an interior observer cannot see the centre its own operations generate. The credentialed algebra is everything commuting with that one bit, of dimension d^2/2. Blindness under this reading is an identity and not a similarity: for T in the blindness group the census under rho and under T rho T-dagger agrees exactly at trace distance 0.740, so no additional sampling can separate them. The paper prints the response functional every margin and census count is computed from, together with its grid and state. Around the group sit its measured collapse conditions: the price list of restorations (menus that eject the twist restore visibility at costs that double register by register, 10/20/40 contexts on the z-menu and 4/8/16 on the y/z-menu at k = 2, 3, 4, stated as observed at three points, not derived); the sorting condition for which twist configurations a restoration menu revives, named as reach membership of the displacement in the Krylov closure of the menu (63/63 exact at k = 2 in three independent engines, 255/255 at k = 3 in exact rational arithmetic; an all-time reach lemma proves the decision grid decision-faithful and shows it deliberately not span-complete); the genericity of visibility (the blindness locus is a union of alignment strata computed in part: a QND family at the minimal codimension 2 and twist families indexed by subsets of cells at codimension 2k, with a bounded search that surfaced a mixed partial-twist family the hand count had missed); and both branches of the open-world dichotomy reproduced from the group definition alone. The transport side is independently rebuilt: the W-alone computation the framework's kill switch depends on was reconstructed from the printed setting alone and the switch does not fire. A closing section isolates the mechanism shared with an earlier half-space result and shows, against the natural reading, that the two halves are distinct subspaces meeting in a quarter: one lemma, distinct instances. All quantitative claims were pre-registered before their runs. The ledger of failed predictions is an appendix and is kept in full, including a posted mechanism that died, a symmetry law corrected to Schur's criterion, a numerics trap caught only because a posted claim came back wrong, engine deaths from the exact-census campaign convicted by their own gates, and errors printed in earlier drafts and caught in review. The delineation of what is inherited from the literature is stated throughout; the paper asserts no priority claims.