The time-independent Schrodinger equation is written terms of energy, namely using V(x) the potential and E, the energy eigenvalue. In fact, the equation can be written as KE average(x) + V(x) = E and so can be expressed in terms of a classical energy conservation equation at each point. KE average, however, in such a case is complicated and seems to contain various kinds of kinetic energy motion which only yields on average the classical kinetic energy. The purpose of this note, is to try to determine the form of the time-independent Schrodinger equation without any concept of energy. Only at the end of the discussion, will comparisons be made with classical conservation of energy. In such a discussion, it is assumed that particles undergo a zitterbewegung type motion which can be modeled by exp(ikx) hbar k being the momentum and that there are forces (related to a V(x)) in the one dimensional problem. The objective is to try to understand microscopically what is happening without immediate resort to a conservation equation.
The time-independent Schrodinger equation is written terms of energy, namely using V(x) the potential and E, the energy eigenvalue. In fact, the equation can be written as KE average(x) + V(x) = E and so can be expressed in terms of a classical energy conservation equation at each point. KE average, however, in such a case is complicated and seems to contain various kinds of kinetic energy motion which only yields on average the classical kinetic energy. The purpose of this note, is to try to determine the form of the time-independent Schrodinger equation without any concept of energy. Only at the end of the discussion, will comparisons be made with classical conservation of energy. In such a discussion, it is assumed that particles undergo a zitterbewegung type motion which can be modeled by exp(ikx) hbar k being the momentum and that there are forces (related to a V(x)) in the one dimensional problem. The objective is to try to understand microscopically what is happening without immediate resort to a conservation equation.
In a series of notes (1), we argued that the time-independent Schrodinger equation may be considered as a statistical conservation of average energy equation. We further argued that V(x)=Sum over k Vk exp(ikx) delivers stochastic potential hits which create a momentum distribution W(x)= Sum over p a(p) exp(ipx) at each x. The form exp(ipx) describes a free particle and a statistical distribution is made of such free particles. The form exp(ipx) has a modulus of 1 indicating that P(x)=constant. d/dx exp(ipx) = ip suggesting the change in conditional probability with space is related to classical momentum. Given a momentum distribution, each p at x occurs at a different time. Thus, one does not follow a classical particle in time x(t), nevertheless an average energy conservation equation applies. Taking the time-independent Schrodinger equation E W = -1/2m d/dx d/dx W + V(x) W and writing EW = i d/dt exp(-iEt), one obtains a time-dependent equation. We argue that if the time-independent case represents a classical conservation of average energy, the time-dependent equation should be linked to Newton’s equation of motion. This immediately leads to a problem because we argue one does not want x(t) for a statistical system. As a result, x in the time-dependent Schrodinger equation, which represented spatial position before, now represents a spatial variable that is independent of time. We consider the oscillator case and note that an amplitude is such a candidate where x(t)=XA(t). Thus, the time-dependent Schrodinger equation ultimately becomes an equation in A(t) with the amplitude cancelling, at least in the free particle and oscillator case. From such a consideration, one may work “backwards” and find a function for which the time-dependent Schrodinger equation (equating powers of X) becomes Newton’s second law. From this, one may show that exp(i Action) where Action = Integral dt1 (0,t) L where L is the classical Lagrangian is this solution with d/dX applying to X which is an amplitude, not x(t).
n an earlier note (1), it was argued the time-independent Schrodinger equation may be written in a momentum form by using W(x)=Sum over p fp exp(ipx)= wavefunction and V(x)=Sum over p Vp exp(ipx). This lead to an equation for each plane wave of the form: p*p/2m fp + Sum over j+k=p Vj fk = E fp ((1)). In this note, we try to argue that ((1)) does not need to follow from the time-independent Schrodinger equation, but rather seems to be a consequence of fp, which is related to conditional probability P(p/x).
In a previous note (1), it was shown that for a ground state oscillator wavefunction, one could analyse the problem in momentum space as a free gas of momentum particles and obtain exp(-p*p/2mT) as fp*fp, fp being the momentum wavefunction. A free energy equal to zero was obtained, with kinetic energy being the energy term in E-TS. This suggests quantum particles scatter (with conservation of momentum) like classical point particles in momentum space, but differ from classical point particles in position space. In particular, one takes a Fourier transform of fp as it seems that each momentum wave carries an exp(ipx) function which is a sort of “baggage” term, possibly due to zitterbewegung. This seems to explain why a free gas in momentum space for the ground state oscillator yields a Gaussian density with W(x)=exp(-ax*x) (W(x)=wavefunction). An oscillator potential is then needed to keep this density with its momentum space pressure in balance. Thus, quantum mechanics and classical statistical mechanics become very similar for this scenario. This begs the question: What about other potentials or oscillator states higher than the ground state? In such a case, it still seems that one may consider “particles colliding in momentum space” with each carrying an exp(ipx) “baggage” term, but one does not have a “classical statistical mechanical” equilibrium scenario any longer. Rather, it seems that one has a net force created by -dV/dx (V(x)=potential) and a difference in pressure d/dx [Average(p*p)d(x)] where d(x) is density. There also seems to be an average velocity (1/W)dW/dx. In momentum space such a velocity would not exist for f(p)=f(-p), but because of the baggage of exp(ipx) it is present i.e. p exp(ipx) - p exp(-ipx). Newton’s law, with force acting on this velocity appears in the equation d/dx [Average(p*p)d(x)]=F(x) d(x). This same equation is equivalent to the gradient of the time-independent Schrodinger equation. For quantum mechanics, one has one particle rather than many as in classical statistical mechanics. Thus, it seems that this “Newton’s law” balance is based on a long term time average. It seems, however, that there should be a period T during which the average can establish itself. After this, one would have periodic time motion where the system keeps scattering back into itself in this characteristic time. This period can be deduced, it seems, from the time-independent Schrodinger equation and is found to be E, the energy.
In classical mechanics, the spatial density d(x) of a particle moving under a conservation of energy law .5mv(x)v(x) + V(x) = E is proportional to 1/v(x). This is obtained from d(x)= dt/T, i.e. the probability to be at x equals the time spent at x divided by the cycle time T. Given that dx=vdt to first order, density is proportional to 1/v(x). Now, d(x) is supposed to match the time independent quantum mechanical density W(x)W(x), where W(x) is the wavefunction, for high energy levels. Thus, one would expect the time a p wave (plane wave) spends at a point should be part of time independent quantum mechanics, but it does not seem to be overtly present. Furthermore, there is the question of T for the quantum mechanical problem. It is known that even for a time-independent solution W(x) has a factor exp(iEt). Thus, it seems time is present, even if it disappears in the density W*(x)W(x). It is argued that W*(x)W(x) = P(x) where P is probability, but W(x) is related to conditional probabilities such as P(x/p) or P(p/x). Thus, these conditional probabilities should be related to time. In an earlier note, we tried to show the time-independent Schrodinger equation implies all p plane waves are cycling with the same frequency E. In this note, we try to find a quantum mechanical representation for P(x,p)=dt/T where dt(x,p) is the time spent at x by a plane wave p and also try to evaluate T.
The time-independent Schrodinger equation: En= -1/2m [d/dx dWn/dx] / Wn(x) + V(x) ((1)) matches a classical conservation of energy equation where -1/2m [d/dx dWn/dx] / Wn(x) = KEclassical(x). In classical physics, however, one has x(t) so each x point is associated with a specific t for a given energy En. In the quantum time-independent equation, one has exp(-iEnt) as the time dependent factor and does not consider any link with x although if one is comparing ((1)) to a classical conservation equation then a link between x and t could be made to complete the analogy. This is usually not considered, but we examine this point as we argue it becomes important in the time-dependent situation. For the time-dependent Schrodinger case we consider two approaches. First, a linear combination of time independent solutions is taken i.e. W(x,t) = Sum over n an(En) exp(-iEnt) Wn(x) ((2)) Again each Wn(x) has an association with KEclassical(x) and so one may think in terms of (x,t) classical pairs for a given En. The second approach is to consider the function: exp(-iEnt + m Integral (0,x) v(y) dy) ((3)). This satisfies the time-dependent Schrodinger equation and yields a classical conservation of energy equation with v(x) being the classical velocity. Noting that En= .5m v(x)v(x) + V(x), ((3)) may be rewritten as: exp(i Integral L dt) where L = T-V is the Langrangian with T=.5mv(x)v(x). At this point En has been removed from the picture, but is replaced with: x(t)= X g(t)/g(T) ((4)) where (X,T) are a space-time pair corresponding to a particular energy E value. Using exp(i Action) ((5)) in the time-dependent Schrodinger equation yields a conservation equation which holds for a particular classical energy as long as (x,t) values in the equation are classically linked to the appropriate classical (X,T) values i.e. for a classical trajectory there is a specific family of X at time T for a given energy. For another energy, there is another family of (X,T) pairs. Thus the equation obtained represents energy conservation for many different energy values depending on which simultaneous values one uses for x and t. There is, however, no overlap as a specific (X,T) family corresponds to an energy E and another nonoverlapping family of (X,T) to another energy. This, however, is the same situation as ((2)) for which there are also families of (X,T) corresponding to each En. The only difference is that the En are quantized i.e. discrete. ((3)) and ((5)) are both solutions to the time-dependent Schrodinger equation which represent a variety of energies and families of (X,T) associated to the classical solution of the energy in question. We thus suggest that ((2)) and ((4)) are equivalent for this reason without using the idea of a complete set of basis functions represented by Wn(x). We consider these ideas as the Schrodinger propagator is given by ((5)), but with ((4)) generalized to: x(t)= Xi g(tf-t)/g(tf-ti) + Xf g(t-ti)/g(tf-ti) for the case that g(0)=0 (2) so that Xi,Xf, tf and ti enter the picture. This then should be equivalent to: Sum over n exp(-iEntf) Wn(xf) Wn* (xi) ((6)) In this note, we suggest that one may link ((5)) and ((6)) based on ideas of space-time families associated with different energies as well as the two being solutions of the time-dependent Schrodinger equation.
The momentum wavefunction fp of a particle in a box (with infinite potential walls) has been described (1) (2) in terms of many plane waves (i.e. many fp’s) even though the energy E=(hbar k)/2/2m expresses only one k. Thus, the energy E appears to be an average. It seems one may have a plane wave exp(ipx) which collides inelastically with the wall and changes to exp(-ip1x) etc.; on average energy is conserved. In (1) and (2), the spatial wavefunction W(x)= Sum over p fp exp(ipx) is obtained by solving the time-independent Schrodinger equation, and fp from taking the Fourier transform of W(x). These are strictly math procedures it seems. In a previous note (3), the time independent Schrodinger equation is written with V(x) and W(x) both expressed in terms of Fourier transforms. This lead to an equation for each p of the form: Sum j+k=p Vk fk = (E-p*p/2m) fp ((1)). In such a case, V(x) exists throughout x. For the case of an infinite wall, there is still a potential, but only at the end walls. In this note, we suggest ((1)) may be used to obtain fp without taking the Fourier transform of W(x) or solving for Vk. This approach also shows cycling is involved, even for a particle in a box. The cycling occurs at the walls.