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Cambridge University Press eBooks

Subject and object

James S. Bell

Published Jun 3, 2004• 2 citations
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The subject–object distinction is indeed at the very root of the unease that many people still feel in connection with quantum mechanics. Some such distinction is dictated by the postulates of the theory, but exactly where or when to make it is not prescribed. Thus in the classic treatise of Dirac we learn the fundamental propositions: … any result of a measurement of a real dynamical variable is one of its eigenvalues …, … if the measurement of the observable ξ for the system in the state corresponding to | x 〈 is made a large number of times, the average of all the results obtained will be 〈 x |ξ| x 〉 …, … a measurement always causes the system to jump into an eigenstate of the dynamical variable that is being measured …. So the theory is fundamentally about the results of ‘measurements’, and therefore presupposes in addition to the ‘system’ (or object) a ‘measurer’ (or subject). Now must this subject include a person? Or was there already some such subject–object distinction before the appearance of life in the universe? Were some of the natural processes then occurring, or occurring now in distant places, to be identified as ‘measurements’ and subjected to jumps rather than to the Schrödinger equation? Is ‘measurement’ something that occurs all at once? Are the jumps instantaneous? And so on.

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10.1017/cbo9780511815676.007

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•Jan 1, 2014•0 citations
The subject–object distinction is indeed at the very root of the unease that many people still feel in connection with quantum mechanics. Some such distinction is dictated by the postulates of the theory, but exactly where or when to make it is not prescribed. Thus in the classic treatise of Dirac we learn the fundamental propositions: … any result of a measurement of a real dynamical variable is one of its eigenvalues …, … if the measurement of the observable ξ for the system in the state corresponding to | x 〈 is made a large number of times, the average of all the results obtained will be 〈 x |ξ| x 〉 …, … a measurement always causes the system to jump into an eigenstate of the dynamical variable that is being measured …. So the theory is fundamentally about the results of ‘measurements’, and therefore presupposes in addition to the ‘system’ (or object) a ‘measurer’ (or subject). Now must this subject include a person? Or was there already some such subject–object distinction before the appearance of life in the universe? Were some of the natural processes then occurring, or occurring now in distant places, to be identified as ‘measurements’ and subjected to jumps rather than to the Schrödinger equation? Is ‘measurement’ something that occurs all at once? Are the jumps instantaneous? And so on.
Introduction Cosmologists, even more than laboratory physicists, must find the usual interpretive rules of quantum mechanics a bit frustrating: ‘… any result of a measurement of a real dynamical variable is one of its eigenvalues …’ ‘… if the measurement of the observable … is made a large number of times the average of all the results obtained will be …’ ‘… a measurement always causes the system to jump into an eigenstate of the dynamical variable that is being measured …’ It would seem that the theory is exclusively concerned with ‘results of measurement’ and has nothing to say about anything else. When the ‘system’ in question is the whole world where is the ‘measurer’ to be found? Inside, rather than outside, presumably. What exactly qualifies some subsystems to play this role? Was the world wave function waiting to jump for thousands of millions of years until a single-celled living creature appeared? Or did it have to wait a little longer for some more highly qualified measurer – with a Ph.D.? If the theory is to apply to anything but idealized laboratory operations, are we not obliged to admit that more or less ‘measurement-like’ processes are going on more or less all the time more or less everywhere? Is there ever then a moment when there is no jumping and the Schrödinger equation applies?
On the level of quantum phenomena, there is no precise possibility of separating an examined physical system from a measuring instrument. This fact lends support to the assertion that the evolution of a quantum system ceases to be rigorously causal from the moment when the system is subjected to investigation. A quantum measurement is special in that it always causes a jump in the system under study to an eigenstate of the considered variable. Possible interactions between the measuring and measured objects will be neglected, so that a given quantum system, which is free from any disturbances, e.g. measurements or other perturbations, will evolve in a rigorously predictable manner. Globally speaking, a quantum-mechanical scheme of description of physical phenomena can be summarized by introducing the so-called Schrödinger picture. A physical field is obtained when a given physical feature is attributed to each point of a space in which the process under study is developing.
The foundations of quantum mechanics are reconsidered in relation to the measurement problem. We define two kinds of quantities. The type A quantities are observables obtained experimentally from a single measurement. A dynamical variable is a type A quantity whose measurement selects a set of eigenvalues (EVs) as ccc-numbers. The type B quantities represent theoretical quantities related to probabilities. State vectors, the wave function, and the probability distribution (PD) are type B quantities. They are derived from an eigenvalue equation such as the Schrödinger equation. A quantum jump (QJ) is the measurement of a dynamical variable to select a set of EVs. The wave function is a theoretical quantity that persists throughout an experiment and therefore does not collapse. After a QJ, a selected set of EVs persists until it becomes macroscopic. However, an eigenstate is a theoretical notion irrelevant to a single measurement and does not exist in reality after a QJ. One experiment is complete when an ensemble of EVs has been obtained and compared with the theoretically predicted PD. To obtain an ensemble, repeated measurements are required in general, but there are some exceptions, like a Bose-Einstein condensate system, for which a single measurement yields a real ensemble. We comment on the relation between the reality of the wave function and the derivation of non-relativistic quantum mechanics from relativistic quantum field theory.
The foundations of quantum mechanics are reconsidered in relation to the measurement problem. We define two kinds of quantities. The type A quantities are observables obtained experimentally from a single measurement. A dynamical variable is a type A quantity whose measurement selects a set of eigenvalues (EVs) as ccc-numbers. The type B quantities represent theoretical quantities related to probabilities. State vectors, the wave function, and the probability distribution (PD) are type B quantities. They are derived from an eigenvalue equation such as the Schrödinger equation. A quantum jump (QJ) is the measurement of a dynamical variable to select a set of EVs. The wave function is a theoretical quantity that persists throughout an experiment and therefore does not collapse. After a QJ, a selected set of EVs persists until it becomes macroscopic. However, an eigenstate is a theoretical notion irrelevant to a single measurement and does not exist in reality after a QJ. One experiment is complete when an ensemble of EVs has been obtained and compared with the theoretically predicted PD. To obtain an ensemble, repeated measurements are required in general, but there are some exceptions, like a Bose-Einstein condensate system, for which a single measurement yields a real ensemble.
Quantum mechanics is usually defined in terms of some loosely connected axioms and rules. Such a foundation is far from the beauty of, e.g., the `principles' underlying classical mechanics. Motivated, in addition, by notorious interpretation problems, there have been numerous attempts to modify or `complete' quantum mechanics. A first attempt was based on so-called hidden variables; its proponents essentially tried to expel the non-classical nature of quantum mechanics. More recent proposals intend to complete quantum mechanics not within mechanics proper but on a `higher (synthetic) level'; by means of a combination with gravitation theory (R Penrose), with quantum information theory (C M Caves, C A Fuchs) or with psychology and brain science (H P Stapp). I think it is fair to say that in each case the combination is with a subject that, per se , suffers from a very limited understanding that is even more severe than that of quantum mechanics. This was acceptable, though, if it could convincingly be argued that scientific progress desperately needs to join forces. Quantum mechanics of a closed system was a beautiful and well understood theory with its respective state being presented as a point on a deterministic trajectory in Liouville space---not unlike the motion of a classical N -particle system in its 6N -dimensional phase-space. Unfortunately, we need an inside and an outside view, we need an external reference frame, we need an observer. This unavoidable partition is the origin of most of the troubles we have with quantum mechanics. A pragmatic solution is introduced in the form of so-called measurement postulates: one of the various incompatible properties of the system under consideration is supposed to be realized (i.e. to become a fact, to be defined without fundamental dispersion) based on `instantaneous' projections within some externally selected measurement basis. As a result, the theory becomes essentially statistical rather than deterministic; furthermore there is an asymmetry between the observed and the observing. This is the point where consciousness may come in. Complemented by an introduction and several appendices, Henry Stapp's book consists essentially of three parts: theory, implications, and new developments. The theory part gives a very readable account of the Copenhagen interpretation, some aspects of a psychophysical theory, and, eventually, hints towards a quantum foundation of the brain--mind connection. The next part, `implications', summarizes some previous attempts to bridge the gap between the working rules of quantum mechanics and their possible consequences for our understanding of this world (Pauli, Everett, Bohm, Heisenberg). The last section, `new developments', dwells on some ideas about the conscious brain and its possible foundation on quantum mechanics. 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This sounds like an absolute concept: meaning not with respect to something else, but defined intrinsically---not easy to digest. The role of consciousness in the developing quantum universe requires more attention. `The causal irrelevance of our thoughts within classical physics constitutes a serious deficiency of that theory, construed as a description of reality.' This is taken to be entirely different within quantum mechanics. `The core idea of quantum mechanics is to describe our activities as knowledge-seeking and knowledge-using agents.' `21st century science does not reduce human beings to mechanical automata. Rather it elevates human beings to agents whose free choices can, according to the known laws, actually influence their behaviour.' An example with respect to perception is discussed: `Why, when we look at a triangle, do we experience three lines joined at three points and not some pattern of neuron firings?' 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