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Annalen der Physik

Einstein, Ehrenfest, and the quantum measurement problem

I. Unna, Tilman Sauer

Published Feb 1, 2013• 7 citations
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Abstract

A joint paper by Albert Einstein and \nPaul Ehrenfest, published just weeks \nafter the results of the Stern-Gerlach \nexperiment became known, shows \nwith remarkable clarity and prescience \nthe unsurmountable difficulties \nthat the experiment posed for \nany classical interpretation. With a \nfocus on the measurement process, \nrather than on the underlying theoretical \nalternatives for this experimentum \ncrucis, the authors almost \nanticipate what would later be recognized \nas a central conceptual difficulty \nof quantum mechanics, i.e., the \nquantum measurement problem.

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10.1002/andp.201300708

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A joint paper by Albert Einstein and \nPaul Ehrenfest, published just weeks \nafter the results of the Stern-Gerlach \nexperiment became known, shows \nwith remarkable clarity and prescience \nthe unsurmountable difficulties \nthat the experiment posed for \nany classical interpretation. With a \nfocus on the measurement process, \nrather than on the underlying theoretical \nalternatives for this experimentum \ncrucis, the authors almost \nanticipate what would later be recognized \nas a central conceptual difficulty \nof quantum mechanics, i.e., the \nquantum measurement problem.
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