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arXiv:2605.23862

Indefinite probabilities in quantum spacetime: A deepening of unpredictability

Vittorio D'Esposito, Giuseppe Fabiano, Domenico Frattulillo

quant-phgr-qcSubmitted May 22, 2026• Announced May 25, 2026• 0 citations• Revised May 28, 2026 (v2)
v1 · May 22, 2026v2 · May 28, 2026v3 · Jul 8, 2026
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Non-commutative spacetime and quantum groups have been argued to capture non-classical features of spacetime and its symmetries in the low-energy limit of quantum gravity. In this letter, we show that employing the $SU_q(2)$ quantum group to describe rotational symmetry for spin-$\frac{1}{2}$ systems and Stern-Gerlach apparatuses leads to the description of probabilities of outcomes of spin measurements in terms of non-commuting operators. As a result, we obtain an uncertainty principle between different probability operators, realizing a notion of indefinite probabilities. This is then reflected in the non-commutativity of the entries of the rotation matrix relating the reference frames of two observers, hence fundamentally preventing them from sharply measuring their relative orientation.

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7 pages + references and appendices; minor changes in the main text, an image and an appendix are added in v2

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Quantum theory challenges the view that individual measurement outcomes are predefined and independent of the measurement context. Yet the quantum state itself -- the catalogue of probabilities for all possible measurements -- is usually assumed to be well defined. We argue that this assumption tacitly relies on measurements being performed relative to ideal, infinitely-resourceful reference frames. We show that, when measurements are made relative to non-ideal quantum reference frames, the probabilities themselves become indefinite: even in the limit of arbitrarily large number of runs, the relative frequencies may remain uncertain. The uncertainty is irreducible in a quantum-mechanical sense, as we show by proving a Bell-type theorem for relative frequencies. We further propose a quantum-optical implementation of these relational measurements based on pulsed homodyne detection. Our findings motivate an extension of the notion of the quantum state to regimes constrained by finite resources. We expect them to be especially relevant at the interface between quantum theory and general relativity, where the resources and information available in a bounded region of spacetime are fundamentally limited.
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The topic of quantum reference frames (QRFs) has attracted a great deal of attention in the recent literature. Potentially, the correct description of such frames is important for both the technological applications of quantum mechanics and for its foundations, including the search for a future theory of quantum gravity. In this letter, we point out potential inconsistencies in the mainstream approach to this subject and propose an alternative definition that avoids these problems. Crucially, we reject the notion that transformations between QRFs can be represented by unitary operators and explain the clear physical reasons for this. An experimental protocol, capable of empirically distinguishing between competing definitions of the term, is also proposed. The implications of the new model, for uncertainty relations, spacetime symmetries, gauge symmetries, the quantisation of gravity, and other foundational issues are discussed, and possible directions for future work in this field are considered.
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A central feature of quantum mechanics is the non-commutativity of operators used to describe physical observables. In this article, we present a critical analysis on the role of non-commutativity in quantum theory, focusing on its consequences in the probabilistic description. Typically, a random phenomenon is described using the measure-theoretic formulation of probability theory. Such a description can also be done using algebraic methods, which are capable to deal with non-commutative random variables (like in quantum mechanics). Here we propose a method to construct a non-commutative probability theory starting from an ordinary measure-theoretic description of probability. This will be done using the entropic uncertainty relations between random variables, in order to evaluate the presence of non-commutativity in their algebraic description.