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arXiv:gr-qc/9304027 · Physical Review Letters

No time asymmetry from quantum mechanics

Don Nelson Page

Published Jun 28, 1993• 12 citations
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Abstract

With CPT-invariant initial conditions that commute with CPT-invariant final conditions, the respective probabilities (when defined) of a set of histories and its CPT reverse are equal, giving a CPT-symmetric universe. This leads me to question whether the asymmetry of the Gell-Mann--Hartle decoherence functional for ordinary quantum mechanics should be interpreted as an asymmetry of time.

DOI
10.1103/physrevlett.70.4034

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With CPT-invariant initial conditions that commute with CPT-invariant final conditions, the respective probabilities (when defined) of a set of histories and its CPT reverse are equal, giving a CPT-symmetric universe. This leads me to question whether the asymmetry of the Gell-Mann--Hartle decoherence functional for ordinary quantum mechanics should be interpreted as an asymmetry of time.
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The author investigates the time neutral formulation of quantum cosmology of Gell-Mann and Hartle (1992). In particular he studies the proposal discussed by them that the Universe corresponds to the time-symmetric decoherence functional with an initial and final density matrix of low entropy. He shows that the Universe does not correspond to this time-symmetric proposal by investigating the behaviour of small inhomogeneous perturbations around a Friedman-Robertson-Walker model. These perturbations cannot be time-symmetric if they were small at the Big Bang.
We investigate the origin of the arrow of time in quantum mechanics in the context of quantum cosmology. The ``Copenhagen'' quantum mechanics of measured subsystems incorporates a fundamental arrow of time. Extending discussions of Aharonov, Bergmann and Lebovitz, Griffiths, and others we investigate a generalized quantum mechanics for cosmology that utilizes both an initial and a final density matrix to give a time-neutral formulation without a fundamental arrow of time. Time asymmetries can arise for particular universes from differences between their initial and final conditions. Theories for both would be a goal of quantum cosmology. A special initial condition and a final condition of indifference would be sufficient to explain the observed time asymmetries of the universe. In this essay we ask under what circumstances a completely time symmetric universe, with T-symmetric initial and final condition, could be consistent with the time asymmetries of the limited domain of our experience. We discuss the approach to equilibrium, the electromagnetic system, and T-violation in the weak interactions in such universes. The decoherence of alternatives that is necessary for the prediction of probabilities in the quantum mechanics of closed systems is the origin of a fundamental limitation on quantum cosmologies with initial and final conditions. The initial and final density matrices cannot both be pure; if they are there is no decoherence and no prediction.
Readers of the article by Yakir Aharonov, Sandu Popescu, and Jeff Tollaksen might be interested in an alternative time-symmetric formulation of quantum mechanics, known as “consistent histories,” that was developed over roughly the same time period as Aharonov’s work (see the article by Robert Griffiths and Roland Omnès, PHYSICS TODAY, August 1999, page 26). Closely related is the “decoherent histories” approach of Murray Gell-Mann and James Hartle,11. M. Gell-Mann, J. B. Hartle, in Complexity, Entropy and the Physics of InformationW. H. Zurek,ed.,Addison-Wesley, Redwood City, CA (1990), p. 425. but as that is not usually formulated in a way that is transparently time-symmetric, the following remarks refer to the consistent histories approach; see reference 22. R. B. Griffiths, Consistent Quantum Theory, Cambridge U. Press, New York (2002); available online at http://quantum.phys.cmu.edu/CQT. for an up-to-date formulation.Both the consistent histories approach and that of Aharonov and coworkers pay attention to events at several different times, are formulated in a way that is time-symmetrical, and address a number of quantum paradoxes. Both are consistent with the calculational procedures taught to students in a typical quantum mechanics course, so they are “standard quantum mechanics,” without the additional variables of de Broglie–Bohm or the additional collapses of Ghirardi-Rimini-Weber. And both approaches do not accept the “shut up and calculate” mentality that alas continues to dominate much classroom instruction. So far as I can tell, all the results mentioned by Aharonov and coauthors and in the earlier work they cite are fairly readily translated into the language of consistent histories, though the reverse is not true (see below); therefore, the consistent histories view is more general.In the treatment by Aharonov and coauthors, measurement, as in textbook quantum theory, remains a black box: It collapses the wavefunction, but nothing more can be said. And for good reason: The textbook approach of introducing probabilities by reference to measurement yields what appear to be insoluble difficulties if one attempts to apply quantum theory to the measurement process itself—that is, to actual apparatus constructed out of entities that are quantum mechanical. In the consistent histories approach, that difficulty does not arise, because it treats quantum dynamics as fundamentally probabilistic, not deterministic, and the same rules apply to measurements as to all other physical processes. Speaking metaphorically, the probabilistic approach used in consistent histories allows one to open the black measurement box and watch the quantum gears turn.The other major difference between the two approaches is their treatment of quantum paradoxes. We owe many of the most striking and delightful paradoxes of quantum theory to Aharonov and his coworkers, and he and Daniel Rohrlich have written a book on the topic.33. Y. Aharonov, D. Rohrlich, Quantum Paradoxes: Quantum Theory for the Perplexed, Wiley, Weinheim, Germany (2005) . But he leaves the paradoxes largely unresolved; the reader is encouraged to study but not unravel them. The consistent histories approach is exactly opposite: Paradoxes should be—and a large number of them have been—resolved by the correct application of well-formulated and fully consistent quantum principles (see reference 22. R. B. Griffiths, Consistent Quantum Theory, Cambridge U. Press, New York (2002); available online at http://quantum.phys.cmu.edu/CQT. , chapters 19–25).Students new to quantum theory are often confused and deserve reasoned responses to their queries. Although paradoxes are valuable illustrations of how the quantum world differs from our everyday experience, I prefer to provide students with the conceptual tools needed to resolve and make sense of them. In particular, students benefit from learning a fully consistent approach to probabilities in the quantum domain, one not based on measurements but on general quantum principles. A colleague and I have just finished using that approach in teaching the first term of our introductory graduate quantum mechanics course. Although it requires extra time and effort to learn how to think about quantum processes rather than just do calculations, the reward comes in a deeper understanding of how the real (quantum) world works.REFERENCESSection:ChooseTop of pageREFERENCES <<1. M. Gell-Mann, J. B. Hartle, in Complexity, Entropy and the Physics of InformationW. H. Zurek,ed.,Addison-Wesley, Redwood City, CA (1990), p. 425. Google Scholar2. R. B. Griffiths, Consistent Quantum Theory, Cambridge U. Press, New York (2002); available online at http://quantum.phys.cmu.edu/CQT. Google Scholar3. Y. Aharonov, D. Rohrlich, Quantum Paradoxes: Quantum Theory for the Perplexed, Wiley, Weinheim, Germany (2005) . Google ScholarCrossref© 2011 American Institute of Physics.
This is Part 1 of a four part paper, intended to redress some of the most fundamental confusions in the subject of physical time directionality, and represent the concepts accurately. There are widespread fallacies in the subject that need to be corrected in introductory courses for physics students and philosophers. Parts 1 and 2 are about quantum mechanics, Part 3 is about fundamental concepts, and Part 4 is about cosmology. We start in Part 1 by analysing the time reversal symmetry of quantum probability laws. Time reversal symmetry is defined as the property of invariance under the time reversal transformation, T: t -> -t. It is shown that quantum mechanics (classical or relativistic) is strongly time asymmetric in its probability laws. This contradicts the orthodox analysis, found throughout the conventional literature on physical time, which claims that quantum mechanics is time symmetric or reversible. This is widely claimed as settled scientific fact, and large philosophical and scientific conclusions are drawn from it. But it is an error. The fact is that while quantum mechanics is widely claimed to be reversible on the basis of two formal mathematical properties (that it does have), these properties do not represent invariance under the time reversal transformation. A recent experiment (Batalhao at alia, 2015) showing irreversibility of quantum thermodynamics is discussed as an illustration of this result. Most physicists remain unaware of the errors, decades after they were first demonstrated. Orthodox specialists in the philosophy of time who are aware of the error continue to refer to the ‘time symmetry’ or ‘reversibility’ of quantum mechanics anyway – and exploit the ambiguity to claim false implications about physical time reversal symmetry in nature. The excuse for perpetrating the confusion is that, since it is has now become customary to refer to the formal properties of quantum mechanics as ‘reversibility’ or ‘time reversal symmetry’, we should just keep referring to them by this name, even though they are not time reversal symmetry. This causes endless confusion, in attempts to explain the physical irreversibility of our universe, and in philosophical discussions of implications of physics for the nature of time. The failure of time reversal symmetry in quantum mechanics changes the interpretation of modern physics in a deep way. It changes the problem of explaining the real irreversibility found throughout nature.
Physicists routinely claim that the fundamental laws of physics are 'time symmetric' or 'time reversal invariant' or 'reversible'. In particular, it is claimed that the theory of quantum mechanics is time symmetric. But it is shown in this paper that the orthodox analysis suffers from a fatal conceptual error, because the logical criterion for judging the time symmetry of probabilistic theories has been incorrectly formulated. The correct criterion requires symmetry between future-directed laws and past-directed laws. This criterion is formulated and proved in detail. The orthodox claim that quantum mechanics is reversible is re-evaluated. The property demonstrated in the orthodox analysis is shown to be quite distinct from time reversal invariance. The view of Satosi Watanabe that quantum mechanics is time asymmetric is verified, as well as his view that this feature does not merely show a de facto or 'contingent' asymmetry, as commonly supposed, but implies a genuine failure of time reversal invariance of the laws of quantum mechanics. The laws of quantum mechanics would be incompatible with a time-reversed version of our universe.