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International Workshop on Bayesian Inference and Maximum Entropy Methods in Science and Engineering (MaxEnt)

Exploring Quantized Entropy Production Strength in Mesoscopic Irreversible Thermodynamics

Giorgio Sonnino

Published Oct 13, 2025• 0 citations
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Abstract

This letter aims to investigate thermodynamic processes in small systems in the Onsager region by showing that fundamental quantities such as total entropy production can be discretized on the mesoscopic scale. Even thermodynamic variables can conjugate to thermodynamic forces, and thus, Glansdorff–Prigogine’s dissipative variable may be discretized. The canonical commutation rules (CCRs) valid at the mesoscopic scale are postulated, and the measurement process consists of determining the eigenvalues of the operators associated with the thermodynamic quantities. The nature of the quantized quantity β , entering the CCRs, is investigated by a heuristic model for nano-gas and analyzed through the tools of classical statistical physics. We conclude that according to our model, the constant β does not appear to be a new fundamental constant but corresponds to the minimum value.

DOI
10.3390/psf2025012007

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This letter aims to investigate thermodynamic processes in small systems in the Onsager region by showing that fundamental quantities such as total entropy production can be discretized on the mesoscopic scale. Even thermodynamic variables can conjugate to thermodynamic forces, and thus, Glansdorff–Prigogine’s dissipative variable may be discretized. The canonical commutation rules (CCRs) valid at the mesoscopic scale are postulated, and the measurement process consists of determining the eigenvalues of the operators associated with the thermodynamic quantities. The nature of the quantized quantity β , entering the CCRs, is investigated by a heuristic model for nano-gas and analyzed through the tools of classical statistical physics. We conclude that according to our model, the constant β does not appear to be a new fundamental constant but corresponds to the minimum value.
In recent work, we have shown that fundamental quantities such as the total entropy production, the thermodynamic variables conjugate to the thermodynamic forces, and the Glansdorff-Prigogine's dissipative variable may be discretized at the mesoscopic scale. The Canonical Commutation Rules (CCRs) valid at the mesoscopic scale have been postulated and the measurement process consists of determining the eigenvalues of the operators associated with the thermodynamic quantities. The essence of that work was to analyze the consequences of these postulates. This letter aims to understand the physical nature of the new constant (beta) introduced in the CCRs. In particular, two questions are still open. Is beta a new fundamental constant? Does the constant in the CCRs correspond to the lowest limit? We shall tackle the problem starting from the simplest assumption: the expression of beta can be derived from a simple model (a heuristic model) for nano-gas and studied through the tools of classical statistical physics. We will find that the theoretical value is very close to the experimental one. We shall not go further in our interpretation; we shall limit ourselves simply by noticing that according to our model, the constant beta does not appear to be a new fundamental constant but corresponds to the minimum value.
In previous work, we investigated thermodynamic processes in systems at the mesoscopic level where traditional thermodynamic descriptions (macroscopic or microscopic) may not be fully adequate. The key result is that entropy in such systems does not change continuously, as in macroscopic systems, but rather in discrete steps characterized by the quantization constant β. This quantization reflects the underlying discrete nature of the collision process in low-dimensional systems and the essential role played by thermodynamic fluctuations at this scale. Thermodynamic variables conjugate to the forces, along with Glansdorff-Prigogine's dissipative variable can be discretized, enabling a mesoscopic-scale formulation of canonical commutation rules (CCRs). In this framework, measurements correspond to determining the eigenvalues of operators associated with key thermodynamic quantities. This work investigates the quantization parameter β in the CCRs using a nano-gas model analyzed through classical statistical physics. Our findings suggest that β is not an unknown fundamental constant. Instead, it emerges as the minimum achievable value derived from optimizing the uncertainty relation within the framework of our model. The expression for β is determined in terms of the ratio χ, which provides a dimensionless number that reflects the relative scales of volume and mass between entities at the Bohr (atomic level) and the molecular scales. This latter parameter quantifies the relative influence of quantum effects versus classical dynamics in a given scattering process.
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It has been argued that gravity acts dissipatively on quantum-mechanical systems, inducing thermal fluctuations that become indistinguishable from quantum fluctuations. This has led some authors to demand that some form of time irreversibility be incorporated into the formalism of quantum mechanics. As a tool toward this goal, we propose a thermodynamical approach to quantum mechanics, based on Onsager's classical theory of irreversible processes and Prigogine's nonunitary transformation theory. An entropy operator replaces the Hamiltonian as the generator of evolution. The canonically conjugate variable corresponding to the entropy is a dimensionless evolution parameter. Contrary to the Hamiltonian, the entropy operator is not a conserved Noether charge. Our construction succeeds in implementing gravitationally-induced irreversibility in the quantum theory.