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Quantum Mechanics and Stochastic Mechanics for compatible observables at different times

Michele Correggi, G. Morchio

Published Jan 1, 2001• 23 citations
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Abstract

Bohm Mechanics and Nelson Stochastic Mechanics are confronted with Quantum Mechanics in presence of non-interacting subsystems. In both cases, it is shown that correlations at different times of compatible position observables on stationary states agree with Quantum Mechanics only in the case of product wave functions. By appropriate Bell-like inequalities it is shown that no classical theory, in particular no stochastic process, can reproduce the quantum mechanical correlations of position variables of non interacting systems at different times.

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