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Symmetrizing The Symmetrization Postulate

Michael York

Published Jan 1, 2000• 4 citations
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Abstract. Reasonable requirements of (a) physical invariance under particle permutation and (b) physical completeness of state descriptions [1], enable us to deduce a Symmetric Permutation Rule(SPR): that by taking care with our state descriptions, it is always possible to construct state vectors (or wave functions) that are purely symmetric under pure permutation for all particles, regardless of type distinguishability or spin. The conventional exchange antisymmetry for two identical half-integer spin particles is shown to be due to a subtle interdependence in the individual state descriptions arising from an inherent geometrical asymmetry. For three or more such particles, however, antisymmetrization of the state vector for all pairs simultaneously is shown to be impossible and the SPR makes observably different predictions, although the usual pairwise exclusion rules are maintained. The usual caveat of fermion antisymmetrization – that composite integer spin particles (with fermionic consitituents) behave only approximately like bosons – is no longer necessary. I TERMINOLOGY

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Abstract. Reasonable requirements of (a) physical invariance under particle permutation and (b) physical completeness of state descriptions [1], enable us to deduce a Symmetric Permutation Rule(SPR): that by taking care with our state descriptions, it is always possible to construct state vectors (or wave functions) that are purely symmetric under pure permutation for all particles, regardless of type distinguishability or spin. The conventional exchange antisymmetry for two identical half-integer spin particles is shown to be due to a subtle interdependence in the individual state descriptions arising from an inherent geometrical asymmetry. For three or more such particles, however, antisymmetrization of the state vector for all pairs simultaneously is shown to be impossible and the SPR makes observably different predictions, although the usual pairwise exclusion rules are maintained. The usual caveat of fermion antisymmetrization – that composite integer spin particles (with fermionic consitituents) behave only approximately like bosons – is no longer necessary. I TERMINOLOGY
Reasonable requirements of (a) physical invariance under particle permutation and (b) physical completeness of state descriptions [1], enable us to deduce a Symmetric Permutation Rule(SPR): that by taking care with our state descriptions, it is always possible to construct state vectors (or wave functions) that are purely symmetric under pure permutation for all particles, regardless of type distinguishability or spin. The conventional exchange antisymmetry for two identical half-integer spin particles is shown to be due to a subtle interdependence in the individual state descriptions arising from an inherent geometrical asymmetry. For three or more such particles, however, antisymmetrization of the state vector for all pairs simultaneously is shown to be impossible and the SPR makes observably different predictions, although the usual pairwise exclusion rules are maintained. The usual caveat of fermion antisymmetrization—that composite integer spin particles (with fermionic constituents) behave only approximately like bosons—is no longer necessary.
We consider the implications of the Revised Symmetrization Postulate (see quant-ph/9908078) for states of more than two particles. We show how to create permutation symmetric state vectors and how to derive alternative state vectors that may be asymmetric for any pair by creating asymmetric interdependencies in their state descriptions. Because we can choose any pair to create such an asymmetry, the usual generalized exclusion rules which result, apply simultaneously to any pair. However, we distinguish between simultaneous pairwise exclusion rules and the simultaneous pairwise anti-symmetry of the conventional symmetrization postulate. We show how to construct a variety of state vectors with multiple interdependencies in their state descriptions and various exchange asymmetries - including one which is anti-symmetric under exchange of two bosons - all without violating the spin-statistics theorem. We conjecture that it is possible to construct state vectors for arbitrary mixes of bosons and fermions that emulate the conventional symmetrization postulate in a limited way and give examples. We also prove that it is not possible to define a single state vector that simultaneously obeys the conventional symmetrization postulate in its standard form (in which the exchange phase does not depend on the spins of additional particles that are present) for every pair that can be interchanged.
The symmetrization postulate (SP) states that wave functions are either completely symmetric or completely antisymmetric under permutations of identical particles. It is shown by one-dimensional counter-examples that SP is not demanded by the usual physical interpretation of the mathematical formalism of wave mechanics unless one makes use of further physical properties of real systems; the error in a standard proof of SP which ignores these properties is pointed out. It is then proved that SP is true for those systems of spinless particles which have the following properties: (a) probability densities are permutation-invariant, (b) allowable wave functions are continuous with continuous gradient, (c) the 3n3n3n-dimensional configuration space is connected, (d) the Hamiltonian is symmetric, and (e) the nodes of allowed wave functions have certain properties. The counterexamples show that SP is not a necessary property of those systems which do not have property (c). The proof is extended to particles with internal degrees of freedom (including spin) by noting that any observable commutes with every permutation and making use of a particular observable acting only on internal variables. Extraneous mathematical assumptions, such as that of the existence of a "complete" set of commuting observables, criticized by Messiah and Greenberg, are not employed. Some comments are made on the conventional nature of the concept of identity for similar particles; the equivalence between the usual formulation in which different species of similar particles are treated as distinct, and that in which they are regarded as identical particles in different internal states, is emphasized.
We examine historic formulations of the spin-statistics theorem from a point of view that distinguishes between the observable consequences and the ``symmetrization postulate''. In particular, we make a critical analysis of concepts of particle identity, state distinguishability and permutation, and particle ``labels''. We discuss how to construct unique state vectors and the nature of the full state descriptions required for this -- in particular the elimination of arbitrary 2π2π2π rotations on fermion spin quantization frames and argue that the failure to do this renders the conventional symmetrization postulate (and previous ``proofs'' of it) at best {\em incomplete}. We discuss particle permutation in a general way for any pairs of particles, whether identical or not, and make an essential distinction between exchange and pure permutation. We prove a revised symmetrization postulate that allows us to construct state vectors that are naturally symmetric under pure permutation, {\em for any spin}. The significance of particle labels (which, in the exchange operation, are not permuted along with other variables) is then that they stand in for any asymmetry (order dependence) that is present in the full state descriptions necessary for unique state vectors but not explicit in the regular state variables. {\em The exchange operation is then the physical transformation that reverses any asymmetry implicit in the labels}. We point out a previously unremarked geometrical asymmetry between all pairs of particles that is present whenever we choose a common frame of reference. We compute the exchange phase for various state vectors using different spin quantization frames, and prove the Pauli Exclusion Principle and its generalization to arbitrary spin.
If a system in atomic physics contains a number of particles of the same kind, e.g. a number of electrons, the particles are absolutely indistinguishable one from another. No observable change is made when two of them are interchanged … A satisfactory theory ought, of course, to count any two observationally indistinguishable states as the same state and to deny that any transition does occur when two similar particles exchange places. ( Dirac, 1958, p. 207 ) Introduction In our contribution to this volume we deal with discrete symmetries: these are symmetries based upon groups with a discrete set of elements (generally a set of elements that can be enumerated by the positive integers). In physics we find that discrete symmetries frequently arise as ‘internal’, non-spacetime symmetries. Permutation symmetry is such a discrete symmetry, arising as the mathematical basis underlying the statistical behaviour of ensembles of certain types of indistinguishable quantum particle (e.g. fermions and bosons). Roughly speaking, if such an ensemble is invariant under a permutation of its constituent particles (i.e. permutation symmetric) then one doesn't ‘count’ those permutations which merely ‘exchange’ indistinguishable particles; rather, the exchanged state is identified with the original state. This principle of invariance is generally called the ‘indistinguishability postulate’ (IP), but we prefer to use the term ‘permutation invariance’ (PI).
According to symmetrization postulate for a system of identical particles, wave function has to be completely symmetric or completely anti-symmetric. In this paper we want to mathematically justify this postulate ignoring the spin part of wave function in three dimension. For a system of N identical particles, if the solution to the governing Schrodinger equation meets these criteria: a) the probability density remains invariant when any two particle positions are exchanged over time, b) the wave function is continuous and has a continuous gradient, and the system exhibits the following characteristics: c) the configuration space, which is 3N dimensional, is connected, and d) the potential term in the Hamiltonian is invariant under the exchange of any two particle positions, then the wave function must be either totally symmetric or totally antisymmetric over time.