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Letters to Asher Peres

Christopher A. Fuchs

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June 1997, “Painting My Stripes” I am just returning from the library, where – completely by accident – I ran into and read an entertaining little article: A Peres, “Einstein, Gödel, Bohr,” Foundations of Physics 15 (2), 1985, 201–205. I was especially entertained by your closing line, “Any attempt to inject realism in physical theory is bound to lead to inconsistencies.” Do you have any other writings (beside the AJP paper with Zurek) where you expand upon the ideas presented in this? In connection to this, I have another question. If I recall correctly, you once told me that you finally came to grips (“interpretationally,” that is) with quantum mechanics in 1986. (Perhaps I have the year wrong, but that's part of the question.) Would you be willing to expand upon that point? In particular, was your arrived-at comfort founded upon the line I quote above? I suppose I ask these questions for several reasons, perhaps the strongest of which is a renewed dilettante interest in the foundations of quantum theory. Among other things, I am trying to plan (or dream up!) a talk for the Hull conference in September to be titled something like: “Quantum Information Theory's Implications for the Foundations of the Quantum as a Whole.” My own pet “idea for an idea” (as Wheeler would say) is that the quantum theoretical description – along with its Hilbert-space structure – is forced upon us when the information we have about a physical situation/system is of a certain variety.

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This commentator format is quite unfamiliar to me, and somewhat uncomfortable. I don't know whether I'm supposed to flatter the speakers, criticize them, grade them, or merely parrot them. Or should I go off on my own? This latter is tempting. If unleashed I could provide you with true answers to all the questions before us, philosophical, historical, physical, mathematical, physical-mathematical, and so on. But I'll bite my tongue and try to stick to the commentator role. First, a few words on the topic of the opening session this afternoon - why are philosophers interested in quantum field theory? Quantum mechanics undoubtedly abounds in genuine, deep and still unresolved philosophical questions. These are usually posed, at least in popular accounts, in the context of finite systems of nonrelativistic point particles. In preparation for the conference, I asked myself: does relativistic QFT introduce any really distinctive philosophical problems? There are several possibilities, which I can only express in low-brow form. For one thing, a field is really a collection of infinitely many degrees of freedom, one for each point in space. I can well suppose that infinity raises interesting questions for philosophers. Certainly for physicists, especially in the field theory context, it has been a great preoccupation. As we'll hear later from Jackiw, infinity has its useful aspects. Next, for systems of relativistic particles in interaction, it is no longer so easily possible to speak of measurements of position and momentum of individual particles, except perhaps in asymptotic regions.

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June 1997, “Painting My Stripes” I am just returning from the library, where – completely by accident – I ran into and read an entertaining little article: A Peres, “Einstein, Gödel, Bohr,” Foundations of Physics 15 (2), 1985, 201–205. I was especially entertained by your closing line, “Any attempt to inject realism in physical theory is bound to lead to inconsistencies.” Do you have any other writings (beside the AJP paper with Zurek) where you expand upon the ideas presented in this? In connection to this, I have another question. If I recall correctly, you once told me that you finally came to grips (“interpretationally,” that is) with quantum mechanics in 1986. (Perhaps I have the year wrong, but that's part of the question.) Would you be willing to expand upon that point? In particular, was your arrived-at comfort founded upon the line I quote above? I suppose I ask these questions for several reasons, perhaps the strongest of which is a renewed dilettante interest in the foundations of quantum theory. Among other things, I am trying to plan (or dream up!) a talk for the Hull conference in September to be titled something like: “Quantum Information Theory's Implications for the Foundations of the Quantum as a Whole.” My own pet “idea for an idea” (as Wheeler would say) is that the quantum theoretical description – along with its Hilbert-space structure – is forced upon us when the information we have about a physical situation/system is of a certain variety.
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