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Zeitschrift für Naturforschung A

Das Problem der Irreversibilität im Rahmen eines verallgemeinerten Entropiebegriffs

Folker Engelmann, Marc Roy Feix, Ettore Minardi, Joachim Oxenius

Published Nov 1, 1961• 4 citations
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Abstract

In view of the fact that physical measurements represent transmission of information, a general definition based on the measure of “lack of knowledge” in information theory can be introduced for different entropies each of them corresponding to one particular kind of measurement. By means of this entropy concept the problem of the consistency of microscopic reversibility and macroscopic irreversibility is studied. Under certain conditions it can be shown that the reversible microscopic equation of motion leads to the result that all entropies corresponding to “reduced” quantities, i.e. to quantities which do not determine the microscopic state of the system completely, can never decrease. However, it is to be noted that this behaviour is symmetric in time, in the classical as well as in the quantum mechanical case. Irreversibility is so related on the one hand to incomplete description of a system, but on the other also to the fact that theoretical statements can be verified by experiments in the future only. The validity of the results obtained within the framework of ensemble theory for a single physical system is discussed. As applications of the general ideas a system of free particles and the BOLTZMANN gas are treated.

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10.1515/zna-1961-1116

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In view of the fact that physical measurements represent transmission of information, a general definition based on the measure of “lack of knowledge” in information theory can be introduced for different entropies each of them corresponding to one particular kind of measurement. By means of this entropy concept the problem of the consistency of microscopic reversibility and macroscopic irreversibility is studied. Under certain conditions it can be shown that the reversible microscopic equation of motion leads to the result that all entropies corresponding to “reduced” quantities, i.e. to quantities which do not determine the microscopic state of the system completely, can never decrease. However, it is to be noted that this behaviour is symmetric in time, in the classical as well as in the quantum mechanical case. Irreversibility is so related on the one hand to incomplete description of a system, but on the other also to the fact that theoretical statements can be verified by experiments in the future only. The validity of the results obtained within the framework of ensemble theory for a single physical system is discussed. As applications of the general ideas a system of free particles and the BOLTZMANN gas are treated.
In view of the fact that physical measurements represent transmission of information, a general definition based on the measure of lack of knowledge in information theory can be introduced for different entropies each of them corresponding to one particular kind of measurement. By means of this entropy concept the problem of the consistency of microscopic reversibility and maeroscopic irreversibility is studied. Under certain conditions it can be shown that the reversible microscopic equation of motion leads to the result that all entropies corresponding to reduced quantities, i.e., to quantities which do not determine the microscopic state of the system completely, can never decrease. However, it is to be noted that this behavior is symmetric in time, in the classical as well as in the quantum mechanical case. Irreversibility is so related on the one hand to incomplete description of a system, but on the other also to the fact that theoretical statements can be verified by experiments in the future only. The validity of the results obtained within the framework of ensemble theory for a single physical system is dtscussed. As applications of the general ideas a system of free particles and the Boltzmann gas are treated. (auth)
Concepts from information theory are used to investigate the relation between measurement and irreversibility in finite, closed classical systems having known Hamiltonians. The effects of measurement upon the predictions of the observer are found for the cases of a single measurement, two simultaneous measurements, and two measurements at different times. The physical basis of coarse graining and the significance of the increase in the coarse-grained entropy are discussed. An evolution equation is obtained describing the probability distribution of the measured quantities, and it is shown that this equation is non-Markoffian. Despite this non-Markoffian behavior, the distribution may behave irreversibly and may approach equilibrium. Thus, irreversible behavior is obtained without continual coarse graining. The condition for irreversible behavior is given for the case of a single measurement. The thermodynamic entropy is defined for general nonequilibrium situations.
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These results have generated successful ways to describe irreversible behavior, but their link to the origin of irreversibility is still only heuristic (what is the connection between the nonlinear model Hamiltonian and the true full Hamiitonian?) and does not provide yet a rigorous resolution of the century-old paradox of the conflict between the irreversibiiity of macroscopic behavior, and the reversibility of the laws of mechanics. To resolve both the problem of the meaning of entropy and that of the origin of irreversibility we have built entropy and irreversibility into the laws of mechanics. 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Abstract We consider the temporal evolution of an isolated system of N particles from a non-equilibrium state of entropy S = S′ to the equilibrium state of maximum entropy, S = S max, S′ ≤ S max. The application of usual density matrix theory to the temporal development of S leads us to dS/dt = 0: The entropy S does not change in time t. Thereby it is irrelevant, whether we consider a non-equilibrium state or an equilibrium state. Consequently, the system cannot irreversibly change by entropy production dS/dt > 0 from S′ to S max. This is a paradoxial result, which contradicts the experience. It can be traced back to the von Neumann equation, which in principle describes reversible processes and hence is unsuitable for calculating the irreversible evolution of the entropy S in time t. Each irreversible process is accompanied by a positive entropy production P = dS/dt ≥ 0 inside the system, which only vanishes in case of the equilibrium state. In order to overcome the above mentioned difficulties, we assign an operator P to the entropy production P, which is defined by the eigenvalue equation P |u〉 = P|u〉 with the state vector |u〉 of the N-particle system. There was an extensive discussion about the relation between the production of entropy P on one hand and the progression of time t on the other. Making use of this concept, we combine the operator of entropy production P with the time-development operator U (t, t 0) of the system and finally deduce the infinitesimal unitary operator U (t+τ,t) = 1 + (i/k)τ P by means of very general assumptions. Here P means the generator of the infinitesimal progression of time τ = t − t 0 and k the Boltzmann constant, representing the atomic entropy unit. Similarly to P we also treat the time t as an observable, defined by t |u〉 = t|u〉. We apply the infinitesimal time-evolution operator U (t+τ,t) to the operator of time t and finally obtain the P – t commutation relation i[ P , t ] = k, which is independent of τ. It shows that the operators P and t do not commute, and hence P and t are not sharply defined simultaneously. Instead we have uncertainties ΔP and Δt on measuring P and t, which are given by the P–t uncertainty relation ΔPΔt ≥ k/2. It readily allows a discussion of the evolution of the entropy S of the isolated system in time t from S′ to S max. Now, the irreversible steps are correctly described by the entropy production P = dS/dt > 0, while the thermal equilibrium is given by P = 0, ΔP = 0, and thus the lifetime of the equilibrium state Δt = ∞. According to the P–t uncertainty relation, the Boltzmann constant k is similarly important to the quantum thermodynamics of irreversible processes like Planck′s constant h to usual quantum mechanics.
Time-reversal had always been assumed to be a symmetry of physics at the fundamental level. In this paper we will explore the violations of time-reversal symmetry at the fundamental level and the consequence on thermodynamic systems. First, we will argue from current physics that the universe dynamics is not time-reversal invariant. Second, we will argue that any thermodynamic system cannot be isolated completely from the universe. We then discuss how these two make the dynamics of thermodynamics systems very weakly irreversible at the classical and quantum level. Since time-reversal is no longer a symmetry of realistic systems, the problem of how macroscopic irreversibility arises from microscopic reversibility becomes irrelevant because there is no longer microscopic reversibility. At the classical level of a thermodynamic system, we show that the H theorem of Boltzmann is still valid even without microscopic reversibility. We do this by deriving a modified H theorem, which still shows entropy monotonically increasing. At the quantum level, we explicitly show the effect of CP violation, small irreversible changes on the internal states of the nuclear and atomic energy levels of thermodynamic systems. Thus, we remove Loschmidt's objection to Boltzmann's ideas.
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