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arXiv:2607.01024

Madelung hydrodynamics and Poisson geometry of wave functions

Boris Khesin, Klas Modin

Published Jul 1, 2026• 0 citations
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Abstract

We describe the Poisson geometry of the Madelung transform between quantum mechanics and hydrodynamics for generic wave functions. We prove that for arbitrary oriented manifolds this transform, being regarded as a momentum map, naturally defines prequantum bundles for coadjoint orbits of semidirect extensions of diffeomorphism groups. Furthermore, we show that the Madelung framework provides a natural infinite-dimensional version of the convexity results for Hamiltonian torus actions, thus giving a partial answer to Atiyah's question. In particular, for wave functions without zeros our results provide a Kähler map between the infinite-dimensional Fubini--Study and Fisher--Rao geometries, thus extending previous results to non-simply-connected manifolds. Furthermore, for wave functions with noncritical zeros, the Madelung transform is shown to be a symplectomorphism to the coadjoint orbits with Morse--Bott densities. The latter, in turn, furnishes a novel momentum map point of view on the Wallstrom quantization condition for the hydrodynamical form of quantum mechanics. We also comment on the relation between the Madelung setting and the Marsden--Weinstein symplectic structures on knots and membranes.

DOI
10.48550/arxiv.2607.01024

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We describe the Poisson geometry of the Madelung transform between quantum mechanics and hydrodynamics for generic wave functions. We prove that for arbitrary oriented manifolds this transform, being regarded as a momentum map, naturally defines prequantum bundles for coadjoint orbits of semidirect extensions of diffeomorphism groups. Furthermore, we show that the Madelung framework provides a natural infinite-dimensional version of the convexity results for Hamiltonian torus actions, thus giving a partial answer to Atiyah's question. In particular, for wave functions without zeros our results provide a Kähler map between the infinite-dimensional Fubini--Study and Fisher--Rao geometries, thus extending previous results to non-simply-connected manifolds. Furthermore, for wave functions with noncritical zeros, the Madelung transform is shown to be a symplectomorphism to the coadjoint orbits with Morse--Bott densities. The latter, in turn, furnishes a novel momentum map point of view on the Wallstrom quantization condition for the hydrodynamical form of quantum mechanics. We also comment on the relation between the Madelung setting and the Marsden--Weinstein symplectic structures on knots and membranes.
Quantum hydrodynamics described by Madelung equations is analyzed in the framework of symplectic geometry i.e. in covariant phase space approach to geometric field theory. The pre-symplectic manifolds providing the phase spaces describing the Hamiltonian dynamics of quantum fluid are constructed from the set of all solutions of Madelung equations and their corresponding Lagrangian densities. The Madelung equations under consideration are the Madelung equations associated to Schroedinger equations (in the nonrelativistic case) and Madelung equations associated to Klein–Gordon equations (in the relativistic case). The cases where the coupling with electromagnetic fields is present are also considered here. Our symplectic formulation is different from that of [M. Spera, Moment map and gauge geometric aspects of the Schrodinger and Pauli equations, Int. J. Geom. Methods Mod. Phys. 13 (2016) 1–36] in the choice of fundamental fields or variables. Here we regard density function [Formula: see text] and phase function [Formula: see text] not as canonical pair but as the fundamental fields of the theory. The Hamiltonian vector fields corresponding to an observable are obtained from the Hamiltonian equation generated by the observable. The Poisson bracket of two observables then is determined by the Hamiltonian vector fields associated to each observable. In general, the Poisson bracket of two observables is not unique due to the fact that every observable has more than one corresponding Hamiltonian vector field. It is pointed out that the Poisson bracket has a unique value over a certain subset of the set of all observables defined on the pre-symplectic manifold of the Madelung equation under consideration.
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We pose the converse Madelung question: not whether Fisher information can reproduce quantum mechanics, but whether it is necessary. We work with minimal, physically motivated axioms on density and phase: locality, probability conservation, Euclidean invariance with a global phase symmetry, reversibility, and convex regularity. Within the resulting class of first order local Hamiltonian field theories, these axioms single out the canonical Poisson bracket on density and phase under the Dubrovin and Novikov assumptions for local hydrodynamic brackets. Using a pointwise, gauge covariant complex change of variables that maps density and phase to a single complex field, we show that the only convex, rotationally invariant, first derivative local functional of the density whose Euler Lagrange term yields a reversible completion that is exactly projectively linear is the Fisher functional. When its coefficient equals Planck constant squared divided by twice the mass, the dynamics reduce to the linear Schrodinger equation. For many body systems, a single local complex structure across sectors enforces the same relation species by species, fixing a single Planck constant. Galilean covariance appears through the Bargmann central extension, with the usual superselection consequences. Comparison with the Doebner and Goldin family identifies the reversible zero diffusion corner with linear Schrodinger dynamics. We provide operational falsifiers via residual diagnostics for the continuity and Hamilton Jacobi equations and report numerical minima at the Fisher scale that are invariant under Galilean boosts. In this setting, quantum mechanics emerges as a reversible fixed point of Fisher regularised information hydrodynamics. A code archive enables direct numerical checks, including a superposition stress test that preserves exact projective linearity within our axioms.
In the paper with the above-noted title, T. C. Wallstrom claims that the description of the particle's motion as a certain "conservative" diffusion is not equivalent to quantum mechanics in spite of the fact that the Madelung "hydrodynamic" equations, which provide the description of such a diffusion, can be converted to the Schroedinger equation. He pointed out that such a stochastic theory can be regarded as equivalent to conventional quantum mechanics only if they can derive from it not just the Madelung equations but also the condition that the circulation of the "probability fluid" is always quantized, which is equivalent the condition for the single-valuedness of the wave function. We, however, show that the single-valuedness of the wave function required in quantum mechanics, is not an auxiliary condition but a property of all local solutions of the Schrodinger equation. Based on the one-to-one correspondence between local solutions of the Schroedinger and the Madelung equations this means that the quantization of the circulation of the "probability fluid" is a property of all solutions of the Madelung equations.