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arXiv:2504.06109 · Physical Review Research

Fundamental limits on clock precision from spacetime uncertainty in quantum collapse models

Nicola Bortolotti, Catalina Curceanu, Lajos Diósi, Simone Manti, Kristian Piscicchia

Published Jul 31, 2025• 0 citations
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Abstract

Models of spontaneous wavefunction collapse explain the quantum-to-classical transition without invoking the von Neumann measurement postulate. Prominent frameworks, such as the Diósi-Penrose (DP) and continuous spontaneous localization (CSL) models, propose a continuous, spontaneous measurement of the mass density field of quantized matter. We show that this mechanism could link both models—not just DP—to fundamental uncertainties in Newtonian gravity. Despite their nonrelativistic nature, these models suggest an induced uncertainty in the flow of time due to fluctuations in the Newtonian potential. We calculate the ultimate limit on time uncertainty and demonstrate that the resulting clock-time uncertainty remains negligible for all contemporary timekeeping devices, including atomic clocks.

DOI
10.1103/p6tj-lg8l

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Models of spontaneous wavefunction collapse explain the quantum-to-classical transition without invoking the von Neumann measurement postulate. Prominent frameworks, such as the Diósi-Penrose (DP) and continuous spontaneous localization (CSL) models, propose a continuous, spontaneous measurement of the mass density field of quantized matter. We show that this mechanism could link both models—not just DP—to fundamental uncertainties in Newtonian gravity. Despite their nonrelativistic nature, these models suggest an induced uncertainty in the flow of time due to fluctuations in the Newtonian potential. We calculate the ultimate limit on time uncertainty and demonstrate that the resulting clock-time uncertainty remains negligible for all contemporary timekeeping devices, including atomic clocks.
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Quantum mechanics, which governs all microscopic phenomena, encounters challenges when applied to macroscopic objects that exhibit classical behavior. To address this micro-macro disparity, collapse models such as the Continuous Spontaneous Localization (CSL) and Diosi-Penrose (DP) models have been proposed. These models phenomenologically modify quantum theory to reconcile its predictions with the observed classical behavior of macroscopic systems. Based on previous works\,([Phys.\,Rev\,D,\,95(8):084054\,(2017)] and [Phys.\,Rev.\,D,\,94:124036,\,(2016)]), an improved bound on the collapse model parameters is given using the updated acceleration noise data released from LISA Pathfinder\,([Phys.\,Rev.\,D, 110(4):042004,\,(2024)]). The CSL collapse rate is bounded to be at most λCSL≤8.3×10−11λ_{\rm CSL} \leq 8.3\times 10^{-11}λCSL​≤8.3×10−11\,s−1s^{-1}s−1 at the mili-Hertz band when rCSL=10−7 mr_{\rm CSL}=10^{-7}\,{\rm m}rCSL​=10−7m, and the DP model's regularization cut-off scale is constraint to be σDP∼285.5σ_{\rm DP}\sim 285.5σDP​∼285.5\,fm. Furthermore, we discuss the potential advantages of using deep-underground laboratories to test these quantum collapse models. Our results show the quiet seismic condition of the current deep-underground laboratory has the potential to further constrain the CSL collapse model to λCSL≤3×10−11 s−1λ_{\rm CSL}\leq3\times 10^{-11}\,{\rm s}^{-1}λCSL​≤3×10−11s−1 when rCSL=10−7 mr_{\rm CSL}=10^{-7}\,{\rm m}rCSL​=10−7m.
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