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arXiv:1312.6404 · Journal of Physics Conference Series

Newton force from wave function collapse: speculation and test

Lajos Diósi

Published Apr 14, 2014• 7 citations
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Abstract

The Diosi-Penrose model of quantum-classical boundary postulates gravity-related spontaneous wave function collapse of massive degrees of freedom. The decoherence effects of the collapses are in principle detectable if not masked by the overwhelming environmental decoherence. But the DP (or any other, like GRW, CSL) spontaneous collapses are not detectable themselves, they are merely the redundant formalism of spontaneous decoherence. To let DP collapses become testable physics, recently we extended the DP model and proposed that DP collapses are responsible for the emergence of the Newton gravitational force between massive objects. We identified the collapse rate, possibly of the order of 1/ms, with the rate of emergence of the Newton force. A simple heuristic emergence (delay) time was added to the Newton law of gravity. This non-relativistic delay is in peaceful coexistence with Einstein's relativistic theory of gravitation, at least no experimental evidence has so far surfaced against it. We derive new predictions of such a 'lazy' Newton law that will enable decisive laboratory tests with available technologies. The simple equation of 'lazy' Newton law deserves theoretical and experimental studies in itself, independently of the underlying quantum foundational considerations.

DOI
10.1088/1742-6596/504/1/012020

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The Diosi-Penrose model of quantum-classical boundary postulates gravity-related spontaneous wave function collapse of massive degrees of freedom. The decoherence effects of the collapses are in principle detectable if not masked by the overwhelming environmental decoherence. But the DP (or any other, like GRW, CSL) spontaneous collapses are not detectable themselves, they are merely the redundant formalism of spontaneous decoherence. To let DP collapses become testable physics, recently we extended the DP model and proposed that DP collapses are responsible for the emergence of the Newton gravitational force between massive objects. We identified the collapse rate, possibly of the order of 1/ms, with the rate of emergence of the Newton force. A simple heuristic emergence (delay) time was added to the Newton law of gravity. This non-relativistic delay is in peaceful coexistence with Einstein’s relativistic theory of gravitation, at least no experimental evidence has so far surfaced against it. We derive new predictions of such a ‘lazy’ Newton law that will enable decisive laboratory tests with available technologies. The simple equation of ’lazy’ Newton law deserves theoretical and experimental studies in itself, independently of the underlying quantum foundational considerations.
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We investigate the Di\'osi-Penrose (DP) proposal for connecting the collapse of the wave function to gravity. The DP model needs a free parameter, acting as a cutoff to regularize the dynamics, and the predictions of the model highly depend on the value of this cutoff. The Compton wavelength of a nucleon seems to be the most reasonable cutoff value since it justifies the nonrelativistic approach. However, with this value, the DP model predicts an unrealistically high rate of energy increase. Thus, either one is forced to choose a much larger cutoff, which is not physically justified and totally arbitrary, or one needs to include dissipative effects in order to tame the energy increase. Taking the analogy with dissipative collisional decoherence seriously, we develop a dissipative generalization of the DP model. We show that even with dissipative effects, the DP model contradicts known physical facts, unless either the cutoff is kept artificially large or one limits the applicability of the model to massive systems. We also provide an estimation for the mass range of this applicability.
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The physical mechanism underlying quantum wave-function collapse remains a central problem in foundational physics. Objective collapse theories, notably the Penrose-Diósi (DP) model,propose that macroscopic superposition is destroyed by gravitational self-energy (∆EG), predicting that collapse scales strictly with mass.We propose an entirely distinct physical mechanism: Topological Representation Collapse.Within the Deterministic Spectral Manifold (DSM-861) framework, wave-function collapse istriggered not by static gravity, but by dynamic enstrophy strain exceeding a specific topologicalmelting threshold (Em ≈ 695.74 eV). This establishes a falsifiable experimental demarcationline in the mesoscopic regime. We demonstrate that highly strained, rapidly rotating, or topologically complex mesoscopic systems (such as driven nanomechanical rotors or rapidly foldingproteins) will undergo spontaneous decoherence significantly faster than predicted by gravityinduced models, while perfectly rigid macroscopic masses may maintain coherence longer.
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