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arXiv:1702.07052 · Journal of Physics Communications

From physical assumptions to classical and quantum Hamiltonian and Lagrangian particle mechanics

Gabriele Carcassi, C. Aidala, David J Baker, Lydia Bieri

Published Mar 28, 2018• 9 citations
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Abstract

The aim of this work is to show that particle mechanics, both classical and quantum, Hamiltonian and Lagrangian, can be derived from few simple physical assumptions. Assuming deterministic and reversible time evolution will give us a dynamical system whose set of states forms a topological space and whose law of evolution is a self-homeomorphism. Assuming the system is infinitesimally reducible—specifying the state and the dynamics of the whole system is equivalent to giving the state and the dynamics of its infinitesimal parts—will give us a classical Hamiltonian system. Assuming the system is irreducible—specifying the state and the dynamics of the whole system tells us nothing about the state and the dynamics of its substructure—will give us a quantum Hamiltonian system. Assuming kinematic equivalence, that studying trajectories is equivalent to studying state evolution, will give us Lagrangian mechanics and limit the form of the Hamiltonian/Lagrangian to the one with scalar and vector potential forces.

DOI
10.1088/2399-6528/aaba25

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Without wasting time and effort on philosophical justifications and implications, we write down the conditions for the Hamiltonian of a quantum system for rendering it mathematically equivalent to a deterministic system. These are the equations to be considered. Special attention is given to the notion of `locality'. Various examples are worked out, followed by a systematic procedure to generate classical evolution laws and quantum Hamiltonians that are exactly equivalent. What is new here is that we consider interactions, keeping them as general as we can. The quantum systems found, form a dense set if we limit ourselves to sufficiently low energy states. The class is discrete, just because the set of deterministic models containing a finite number of classical states, is discrete. In contrast with earlier suspicions, the gravitational force turns out not to be needed for this; it suffices that the classical system act at a time scale much smaller than the inverse of the maximum scattering energies considered.
Without wasting time and effort on philosophical justifications and implications, we write down the conditions for the Hamiltonian of a quantum system for rendering it mathematically equivalent to a deterministic system. These are the equations to be considered. Special attention is given to the notion of 'locality'. Various examples are worked out, followed by a systematic procedure to generate classical evolution laws and quantum Hamiltonians that are exactly equivalent. What is new here is that we consider interactions, keeping them as general as we can. The quantum systems found, form a dense set if we limit ourselves to sufficiently low energy states. The class is discrete, just because the set of deterministic models containing a finite number of classical states, is discrete. In contrast with earlier suspicions, the gravitational force turns out not to be needed for this; it suffices that the classical system act at a time scale much smaller than the inverse of the maximum scattering energies considered.
Reverse Physics is a methodology that breaks physical theories into separate mathematical and physical conditions to establish their logical relationships. To showcase the power of the methodology, we present several results for quantum mechanics and their related insights. The standard Hilbert-space formulation conflicts with basic physical requirements, while a minimal topological modification can solve these problems. The ensemble space, rather than the pure-state space, distinguishes classical from quantum systems. The Born rule is an additional assumption linking orthogonality, mutual exclusivity and information entropy. Under explicit background conditions, unitary evolution is equivalent to deterministic and reversible evolution. Nonselective projective measurements can be characterized as Lindblad equilibration processes, while unitary evolution can be characterized as a limit of infinitesimal projective processes. Classical mechanics is recovered as the high-entropy limit of quantum mechanics, and every quantum state, pure or mixed, is a dynamic, spectral and thermodynamic equilibrium. These results are self-contained, use the standard vector-space representation and can thus be used as common tools and constraints for teaching, interpretations, reconstructions and future theories.
Classical, i.e. deterministic theories underlying quantum mechanics are considered, and it is shown how an apparent quantum mechanical Hamiltonian can be defined in such theories, being the operator that generates evolution in time. It includes various types of interactions. An explanation must be found for the fact that, in the real world, this Hamiltonian is bounded from below. The mechanism that can produce exactly such a constraint is identified in this paper. It is the fact that not all classical data are registered in the quantum description. Large sets of values of these data are assumed to be indistinguishable, forming equivalence classes. It is argued that this should be attributed to information loss, such as what one might suspect to happen during the formation and annihilation of virtual black holes. The nature of the equivalence classes follows from the positivity of the Hamiltonian. Our world is assumed to consist of a very large number of subsystems that may be regarded as approximately independent, or weakly interacting with one another. As long as two (or more) sectors of our world are treated as being independent, they all must be demanded to be restricted to positive energy states only. What follows from these considerations is a unique definition of energy in the quantum system in terms of the periodicity of the limit cycles of the deterministic model.