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arXiv:1605.05242 · European Journal of Physics

How the instant collapse of a spatially-extended quantum state is consistent with the relativity of simultaneity

Moses Fayngold

Published Oct 6, 2016• 5 citations
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Abstract

Abstract A thought experiment is considered on the observation of the instantaneous collapse of an extended wave packet. According to the relativity of simultaneity, such a collapse being instantaneous in some reference frame must be a lasting process in other frames. But according to quantum mechanics, collapse is instantaneous in any frame. The probabilistic nature of quantum-mechanical phenomena eliminates any contradictions between these two apparently conflicting statements. It is shown that the consistency of quantum collapse with relativity follows directly from the Born postulate without any use of mathematical properties of quantum operators, which allows us to discuss this topic in an introductory course of modern physics. The consistency of quantum mechanics with relativity is also shown for instant disentanglement of an extended composite system.

DOI
10.1088/0143-0807/37/6/065407

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Abstract A thought experiment is considered on the observation of the instantaneous collapse of an extended wave packet. According to the relativity of simultaneity, such a collapse being instantaneous in some reference frame must be a lasting process in other frames. But according to quantum mechanics, collapse is instantaneous in any frame. The probabilistic nature of quantum-mechanical phenomena eliminates any contradictions between these two apparently conflicting statements. It is shown that the consistency of quantum collapse with relativity follows directly from the Born postulate without any use of mathematical properties of quantum operators, which allows us to discuss this topic in an introductory course of modern physics. The consistency of quantum mechanics with relativity is also shown for instant disentanglement of an extended composite system.
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The nonlocal action of a measurement performed on a quantum entangled particle can determine the quantum state of a distant entangled particle instantly. Since the relativistic simultaneity of events is frame dependent therefore, a physically valid question arises, does the nonlocal action at a distance determine the quantum state of the distant particle in its past, when quantum state collapse is observed from a different inertial frame of reference? From the relativity of simultaneity, Lorentz invariance of the quantum entangled state of photons under consideration and the validity of Bell's theorem in all inertial frames of reference, it is demonstrated that the measurement-induced collapse of a quantum entangled state also determines the quantum state of a distant photon in its past, provided one of the photons is located in the future. The past and future are defined with respect to the time of quantum state collapse in the rest frame of a quantum state measurement device.
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