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arXiv:1212.5146 · Classical and Quantum Gravity

Gravitationally induced inhibitions of dispersion according to a modified Schrödinger–Newton equation for a homogeneous-sphere potential

Domenico Giulini, André Großardt

Published Jul 9, 2013• 36 citations
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Abstract

We modify the time-dependent Schrödinger–Newton equation by using a potential for a solid sphere suggested by Jääskeläinen (2012 Phys. Rev. A 86 052105) as well as a hollow-sphere potential. Compared to our recent paper (Giulini and Großardt 2011 Class. Quantum Grav. 28 195026) where a single point particle, i.e. a Coulomb potential, was considered, this has been suggested to be a more realistic model for a molecule. Surprisingly, compared to our previous results, inhibitions of dispersion of a Gaussian wave packet occur at even smaller masses for the solid-sphere potential, given that the width of the wave packet is not exceeded by the radius of the sphere.

DOI
10.1088/0264-9381/30/15/155018

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We modify the time-dependent Schrödinger–Newton equation by using a potential for a solid sphere suggested by Jääskeläinen (2012 Phys. Rev. A 86 052105) as well as a hollow-sphere potential. Compared to our recent paper (Giulini and Großardt 2011 Class. Quantum Grav. 28 195026) where a single point particle, i.e. a Coulomb potential, was considered, this has been suggested to be a more realistic model for a molecule. Surprisingly, compared to our previous results, inhibitions of dispersion of a Gaussian wave packet occur at even smaller masses for the solid-sphere potential, given that the width of the wave packet is not exceeded by the radius of the sphere.
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It has been suggested that the nonlinear Schrödinger–Newton equation might approximate the coupling of quantum mechanics with gravitation, particularly in the context of the Møller–Rosenfeld semiclassical theory. Numerical results for the spherically symmetric, time-dependent, single-particle case are presented, clarifying and extending previous work on the subject. It is found that, for a particle mass greater than 1.14(ℏ 2 /( G σ)) 1/3 , a wave packet of width σ partially 'collapses' to a groundstate solution found by Moroz, Penrose and Tod, with excess probability dispersing away. However, for a mass less than 1.14(ℏ 2 /( G σ)) 1/3 , the entire wave packet appears to spread like a free particle, albeit more slowly. It is argued that, on some scales (lower than the Planck scale), this theory predicts significant deviation from conventional (linear) quantum mechanics. However, owing to the difficulty of controlling quantum coherence on one hand, and the weakness of gravity on the other, definitive experimental falsification poses a technologically formidable challenge.
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We discuss aspects of gravitational modifications of Schrodinger dynamics proposed by Diosi and Penrose. We consider first the Diosi-Penrose criterion for gravitationally induced state vector reduction, and compute the reduction time expected for a superposition of a uniform density cubical solid in two positions displaced by a small fraction of the cube side. We show that the predicted effect is much smaller than would be observable in the proposed Marshall et al. mirror experiment. We then consider the ``Schrodinger -Newton'' equation for an N-particle system. We show that in the independent particle approximation, it differs from the usual Hartree approximation applied to the Newtonian potential by self-interaction terms, which do not have a consistent Born rule interpretation. This raises doubts about the use of the Schrodinger-Newton equation to calculate gravitational effects on molecular interference experiments. When the effects of Newtonian gravitation on molecular diffraction are calculated using the standard many-body Schrodinger equation, no washing out of the interference pattern is predicted.