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arXiv:0907.0855 · Europhysics Letters (EPL)

Comment on “Do we have a consistent non-adiabatic quantum-classical mechanics?” by Agostini F. et al.

V. V. Kisil

Published Mar 1, 2010• 9 citations
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Abstract

We argue with claims of the paper [Agostini F., Caprara S. and Ciccotti G., Europhys. Lett. EPL, 78 (2007) Art. 30001, 6] that the quantum-classic bracket introduced in [arXiv:quant-ph/0506122] produces "artificial coupling" and has "genuinely classical nature". Keywords: p-mechanics, quantum, classic, commutator, Poisson bracket, mixing, coupling, semi-classical

DOI
10.1209/0295-5075/89/50005

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