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arXiv:quant-ph/9809006

What is Surrealistic about Bohm Trajectories?

Marcelo Terra Cunha

Published Sep 3, 1998• 1 citation
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Abstract

We discuss interferometers in Bohmian quantum mechanics. It is shown that, with the correct configuration space, Bohm trajectories in a which way interferometer are not surrealistic, but behaves exactly as common sense suggests. Some remarks about a way to generalize Bohmian mechanics to treat density matrix are also made. PACS: 03.65.Bz, 03.75.Dg Key words: Bohm Trajectories, Which Way Interferometers, ESSW

DOI
10.48550/arxiv.quant-ph/9809006

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