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Asymmetric Dynamics Break Spin Qubit Symmetry in Posner Molecules — E8 Intelligence Research

Andrew Stewart Caldin

Published Sep 26, 2026• 0 citations
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FINDING: Posner molecule (Ca₉(PO₄)₆) quantum coherence evidence is real but its dynamical ensemble is NOT symmetric — breaking the assumed high-symmetry lattice that would support long-lived nuclear spin qubits. | MATH: Ca₉(PO₄)₆ — 9 Ca²⁺, 6 PO₄³⁻; nuclear spin qubits on ³¹P (I=1/2); the paper (arXiv:2108.08822v2) shows the molecular point group is lower than the idealized T_d or O_h — the dynamical ensemble average breaks symmetry, reducing the number of degenerate spin states available for error-free quantum processing. | CONNECTION: The idealized Posner molecule was proposed to have tetrahedral (T) symmetry — a crystallographic point group with 12 elements, related to the root system A₃ (tetrahedral). The breaking of this symmetry maps to a descent from T to C₁ or C₂ — a symmetry-breaking cascade that echoes the golden-ratio-related distortion in quasicrystals (Penrose tilings, 1.618 scaling) and the 0.786 = √(φ−1) frequency ratio seen in some biological oscillators. The loss of deg Author: Andrew Stewart Caldin, Independent Researcher, UK. Part of the E8 Intelligence Research series. Platform: e8intelligence.com

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10.5281/zenodo.22971882

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