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Quantum Coherence in Microtubules: Assessing Orch-OR's Indirect Evidence — E8 Intelligence Research

Andrew Stewart Caldin

Published Sep 21, 2026• 0 citations
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FINDING: Orch-OR theory posits quantum computation in microtubules via coherent states, but current evidence is indirect and contested; no new mathematical formalism is established in these sources. | MATH: No new equations, constants, or ratios extracted — sources are media summaries, not primary derivations. Orch-OR's core mathematical object is the *objective reduction* (OR) threshold: \( E_\Delta \sim \hbar / T \) (energy uncertainty vs. superposition lifetime), with gravitational self-energy \( E_G \sim G m^2 / r \) as the collapse trigger. No golden-ratio or base-60 structure appears in the cited material. | CONNECTION: None found in the provided sources. Microtubule geometry (13 protofilaments, 8 nm pitch) is a lattice-like structure, but no crystallographic symmetry group or root system is invoked in these summaries. | DEPTH: 2/10 — the sources are popular-science videos; they report *claims* of evidence (e.g., quantum effects in brain) but provide no mathematical derivation, n Author: Andrew Stewart Caldin, Independent Researcher, UK. Part of the E8 Intelligence Research series. Platform: e8intelligence.com

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10.5281/zenodo.22874063

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