Posner Molecule's Quantum Coherence Breaks Symmetry, Challenging Biological Qubit Role — E8 Intelligence Research

Andrew Stewart Caldin

Published Sep 21, 2026• 0 citations

Abstract

FINDING: Posner molecule (Ca₉(PO₄)₆) quantum coherence evidence is real but its dynamical ensemble is *not* symmetric — breaking the assumed high-symmetry that underpinned its proposed role as a biological quantum information processor. | MATH: Molecular formula Ca₉(PO₄)₆; nuclear spin qubits (³¹P, I=1/2); the claimed long-lived coherence relies on nuclear spin entanglement via dipole-dipole coupling ~ (μ₀/4π)(γ_P²ħ/r³); the symmetry-breaking result (arXiv:2108.08822v2) shows the dynamical ensemble lacks the full octahedral (O_h) or tetrahedral (T_d) point-group symmetry previously assumed — reducing the number of equivalent P sites from 6 to fewer, altering the permutation symmetry group from S₆ to a subgroup. | CONNECTION: The *assumed* symmetry was crystallographic — octahedral (O_h, order 48) or tetrahedral (T_d, order 24) — which would have allowed for 6 equivalent phosphate tetrahedra, a perfect 6-fold rotational symmetry (C₆) matching base-60's divisibility by 6. The *actual* br Author: Andrew Stewart Caldin, Independent Researcher, UK. Part of the E8 Intelligence Research series. Platform: e8intelligence.com

DOI: 10.5281/zenodo.22873791

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