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Speculation on Gibb's Paradox

Francesco R. Ruggeri

Published Jun 21, 2026• 0 citations
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Gibb’s paradox seems to arise when one considers an ideal gas of N particles, energy E, temperature T in a box of volume V and compares its entropy to two subsystems created by inserting a partition into the middle of the container without doing work. Each subsystem has N/2 particles, occupies V/2 and has E/2 and T. The issue is that one wishes to have 2 S subsystem = S full system, i.e. to have entropy be extensive. To do so, a function of N is inserted into the entropy formula and it is argued that this has to do with identical particles and ultimately with quantum mechanics. We argue that there seems to be a problem with this picture, namely the assignment of N/2 particles to each subsystem as this involves a measurement and hence changes entropy. To simplify matters, we consider a full system of 2 particles. Boltzmann’s notion of entropy is - k ln( number of states). Here the issue primarily seems to be with volume states, i.e. a particle can be in any tiny volume cell with equal probability. In the full V case, each of the two particles can be in any volume cell in V, but the same is true if one inserts a partition separating V into two V/2 cells. One cannot possibly know if one particle is in each cell unless one makes a measurement before inserting the partition and making a measurement changes entropy. When writing the number of states, these are probabilistic scenarios. It is possible that 2 particles are on one side of the partition and 0 on the other or 1 on each. The number of possible states for the partitioned system is the same as for the full volume. As a result, there is no paradox. There is only a paradox if one assumes that there is 1 particle on each side which is an assumption which cannot be made without making a measurement.

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10.5281/zenodo.20779501

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Gibb’s paradox seems to arise when one considers an ideal gas of N particles, energy E, temperature T in a box of volume V and compares its entropy to two subsystems created by inserting a partition into the middle of the container without doing work. Each subsystem has N/2 particles, occupies V/2 and has E/2 and T. The issue is that one wishes to have 2 S subsystem = S full system, i.e. to have entropy be extensive. To do so, a function of N is inserted into the entropy formula and it is argued that this has to do with identical particles and ultimately with quantum mechanics. We argue that there seems to be a problem with this picture, namely the assignment of N/2 particles to each subsystem as this involves a measurement and hence changes entropy. To simplify matters, we consider a full system of 2 particles. Boltzmann’s notion of entropy is - k ln( number of states). Here the issue primarily seems to be with volume states, i.e. a particle can be in any tiny volume cell with equal probability. In the full V case, each of the two particles can be in any volume cell in V, but the same is true if one inserts a partition separating V into two V/2 cells. One cannot possibly know if one particle is in each cell unless one makes a measurement before inserting the partition and making a measurement changes entropy. When writing the number of states, these are probabilistic scenarios. It is possible that 2 particles are on one side of the partition and 0 on the other or 1 on each. The number of possible states for the partitioned system is the same as for the full volume. As a result, there is no paradox. There is only a paradox if one assumes that there is 1 particle on each side which is an assumption which cannot be made without making a measurement.
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