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Dimensional Interpretation of the Tsirelson Bound

Florin Ghidan

Published Aug 10, 2025• 0 citations
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The Tsirelson bound, ∣S∣ ≤ 2√2, is the maximum violation of the CHSH inequality permitted by quantum mechanics. While the standard derivations use operator algebra or Cauchy–Schwarz inequalities, we present a compact geometric–dimensional interpretation: the quantum maximum is the product of the classical Bell bound (2) and the Hilbert-space geometry factor (√2). Moreover, since (√2)³ = 2√2, the Tsirelson bound can be seen as a 3-D extension of the 2-D Hilbert geometry factor. This algebraic loop highlights the number 2 as both the classical ceiling and the denominator linking logical and geometric amplification.

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10.5281/zenodo.17184191

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