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Energy-Classical Frequency in Quantum Oscillator Part III

Francesco R. Ruggeri

Published Aug 22, 2022• 0 citations
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In Parts I and II we noted that a quantum oscillator time-independent Schrodinger equation may be scaled such that x→y with yy=sqrt(km)xx and E→ Esqrt(m/k). Given that the LHS side is a function strictly of y which may be integrated from -infinite to infinite, the RHS must be independent of k and m. Thus E is proportional to sqrt(k/m) which “ happens” to be the oscillator classical angular frequency. In Part II we noted that the scaling occurs in the Schrodinger equation because one uses -id/dx as the momentum operator which follows from the exp(ipx) form of a free particle wavefunction. In this note, we show that for any equation: ad/dx d/dx W + b xx W = E W scaling of the form x→y such that yy =xx sqrt(b/a) and E→ E 1/sqrt(ba) occurs. Furthermore if d/dx is associated with momentum then writing conservation of energy using m/2 vv leads to 1/a www cos(wt)cos(wt) + b sin(wt)sin(wt) = b and w is proportional to sqrt(ab). Thus E must be proportional to w, the classical frequency. (An equation of the form a df/dt df/dt + b f f = constant must have a cos(wt) solution as is already known.) We try to extend these ideas by considering a wave on a string with both ends fastened. The string produces sinusoidal waves, but sound is created if there is air. One may consider sound to come in identical units of energy proportional to the angular frequency w. This is similar to the Planck blackbody radiation assumption about light. It may be shown that the string follows an oscillator solution because d/dx dy/dx which represents the change in the sin(theta) multiplied by the constant tension from x to x+dx is set equal to y i.e Force is proportional to y which is the oscillator result. If one sets energy proportional to w as in the case of light and wishes to have an equation strictly in x describing this scenario and also linked to energy conservation then the momentum squared term should have dimensions 1/xx. This suggests d/dx d/dx as a solution because E must be proportional to w. Thus we argue that one may work “backwards” modeling phonons like photons in a classical problem to obtain the quantum operator p = -id/dx which is linked to the free particle wavefunction exp(ipx).

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10.5281/zenodo.7015948

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