A process exists in the literature (1) of creating an information term based on Fisher’s information using spatial density P and adding it to a classical Lagrangian based on a velocity field i.e. velocity=dS/dx. Maximization of S and P is performed and a differential equation in terms of spatial density and S is obtained. Finally, it is noted that a change of variables: W= sqrt(p) exp(iS/hbar) may simplify the differential equation so that it becomes the Schrodinger equation with W as the wavefunction. In this note, we consider the wavefunction as appearing “naturally” as a normalization constant when using conditional probability and argue that W is the velocity field. Given that the Schrodinger equation includes a term of the form -1/2m d/dx d/dx W (in 1-D) i.e. the first derivative is related to the average velocity and the second to the ensemble average of p*p. This follows because unnormalized conditional probability f(p,x) is the Fourier basis function i.e. exp(ipx). The second derivative term - 1/2m d/dx d/dx W may be obtained from a Lagrangian containing (d/dxW) (d/dx W), thus formally one may use maximization to obtain the Schrodinger equation at a level using W directly. The maximization form, however, is identical to the “classical translational” form (2) of Fisher’s information. Thus, it seems that the Fourier basis exp(ipx) and the maximization of classical translational Fisher’s information are linked. In this note, we wish to investigate this in further detail. We also use translational properties together with conditional probability to show that f(p,x) where P(p/x)= a(p) f(p/x) / [Sum over p a(p) f(p/x)] is exp(ipx). In particular, we obtain an equation taken from the translation of the conservation of energy equation at point x to x+delta x. This links df(p,x)/dx with -dV/dx (the force). If the force is stochastic and yields “k” momentum hits, -dV/dx= Sum over k kVk(x). We argue that df(p,x)/dx also brings out this k term i.e. is an eigenfunction of k i.e. -idf(p,x)/dx =k f(p,x) yields exp(ipx) as a solution. This f(p,x) is automatically an orthonormal basis (multiplied by an appropriate constant) and helps to show why the “momentum operator” is linked to a “translation operator” i.e. d/dx. The bound state Schrodinger equation is considered in this note.
A process exists in the literature (1) of creating an information term based on Fisher’s information using spatial density P and adding it to a classical Lagrangian based on a velocity field i.e. velocity=dS/dx. Maximization of S and P is performed and a differential equation in terms of spatial density and S is obtained. Finally, it is noted that a change of variables: W= sqrt(p) exp(iS/hbar) may simplify the differential equation so that it becomes the Schrodinger equation with W as the wavefunction. In this note, we consider the wavefunction as appearing “naturally” as a normalization constant when using conditional probability and argue that W is the velocity field. Given that the Schrodinger equation includes a term of the form -1/2m d/dx d/dx W (in 1-D) i.e. the first derivative is related to the average velocity and the second to the ensemble average of p*p. This follows because unnormalized conditional probability f(p,x) is the Fourier basis function i.e. exp(ipx). The second derivative term - 1/2m d/dx d/dx W may be obtained from a Lagrangian containing (d/dxW) (d/dx W), thus formally one may use maximization to obtain the Schrodinger equation at a level using W directly. The maximization form, however, is identical to the “classical translational” form (2) of Fisher’s information. Thus, it seems that the Fourier basis exp(ipx) and the maximization of classical translational Fisher’s information are linked. In this note, we wish to investigate this in further detail. We also use translational properties together with conditional probability to show that f(p,x) where P(p/x)= a(p) f(p/x) / [Sum over p a(p) f(p/x)] is exp(ipx). In particular, we obtain an equation taken from the translation of the conservation of energy equation at point x to x+delta x. This links df(p,x)/dx with -dV/dx (the force). If the force is stochastic and yields “k” momentum hits, -dV/dx= Sum over k kVk(x). We argue that df(p,x)/dx also brings out this k term i.e. is an eigenfunction of k i.e. -idf(p,x)/dx =k f(p,x) yields exp(ipx) as a solution. This f(p,x) is automatically an orthonormal basis (multiplied by an appropriate constant) and helps to show why the “momentum operator” is linked to a “translation operator” i.e. d/dx. The bound state Schrodinger equation is considered in this note.
The extremization of Fisher’s information subject to constraints usually containing V(x), the classical potential, appears in the literature (1), (2). V(x), however, is a concept introduced by Newton and associated with conservation of energy for a conservative potential. We argue the appearance of V(x) in an extremization approach to obtain an “equation” bypasses the already existing conservation of energy equation. If V(x) is used, we argue that one cannot dispense with conservation of energy and that it should be written a priori. If that is the case, what does extremization of Fisher’s information guarantee? In (1) a probability distribution P(x) is set equal to W(x)W(x) its square root. In (2), a complex function is defined: W(x) = sqrt(density(x)) exp(i S/hbar) where S is the classical action. Here density(x)=P(x). In both cases, the square root of the density appears. The problem, we argue, is that for a free particle with density(x)=P(x)=1, there is no Fisher’s information to extremize, yet the free particle is a key part of quantum mechanics. Its probability (square root probability) is the solution of an eigenvalue problem of the translation operator -id/dx and it is consistent with Newtonian mechanics i.e. conservation of energy with E= pp/2m. From this one may create an ensemble W(x) = Sum over p a(p) exp(ipx). The average kinetic energy is -1/2m d/dx/ dW/dx / W which happens to be the extremized value of Fisher’s information for P(x)=W(x)W(x). In other words, we argue that conservation of energy must occur and that one needs a solution for a free particle and this does not follow from Fisher’s information extremization. Extremization of Fisher’s information produces the form d/dx dW/dx which is taken to be linked to <pp> which already follows from -d/dx d/dx exp(ipx). One argument made in the literature (3) is that Newtonian conservation of energy also follows from Fisher’s information extremization i.e. the Lagrangian for a free particle .5m dx/dt dx/dt is of the form of a Fisher’s information with xx = probability (which is unusual). The strategy, it seems, is that one may apply extremization of Fisher’s information directly to a quantum problem by assuming a P(x)=W(x)W(x) and use d/dx instead of P=xx with d/dt. An issue, as noted, is that for a free particle W(x) exists, but extremization of Fisher’ information does not exist. Even if E=pp/2m (nonrelativistically) and this follows from the extremization of Fisher’s information, W(x)=exp(ipx) does not, but it is consistent with E=pp/2m. The reason for this consistency is that it contains p (momentum) which by its very definition must ensure E=pp/2m (nonrelativisitcally). Fisher information extremization, however, yields the bound state solution i.e. may be used to derive the Schrodinger equation. In (1) this is done for a bound state, in (2) for the more general case, but (2) defines W(x) = sqrt(density) exp(iS/hbar) where S= the classical action. For a free particle, the definition of W(x) is exp(-iEt+ipx) which is the solution of the free particle problem without using any equation. Thus the definition is the solution itself for the free particle case in (2). It seems that Fisher’s information, which uses density(x), does not include a scheme for describing motion in one direction in space without time present. exp(ipx) i.e. cos(px) and sin(px) distributions in two dimensions allow for this. This motion is associated with the translation operator d/dx which we argue is key in solving for the square-root probability of a free particle in keeping with E=pp/2m, which (3) argues follows from the extremization of Fisher’s information. Thus, even if one accepts the argument that Fisher’s information is responsible for the energy conservation equation, using Fisher’s information = Integral dt dx/dt dx/dt constant, does that allow one to immediately switch to a problem with P(x)=W(x)W(x) and the derivative d/dx and apply Fisher’s extremization there, we ask? We argue that there is an implicit assumption that: C1 dx/dt dx/dt = C2 d/dx dW/dx / W where C1 and C2 are constants This implies that for a free particle which treats each x point the same i.e. P(x)=constant, W(x)W(x) cannot be P(x). It also implies that d/dx dW/dx = pp W ((1)) where p=mov nonrelativistically. ((1)), however, is the solution to the free particle problem without performing any Fisher information extremization i.e. exp(ipx) is a solution. This solution may be used to create an ensemble W(x)=Sum over p a(p)exp(ipx) which may be used in a conservation of average energy equation. Thus we argue that Fisher extremization used to create the Schrodinger equation is based already on the idea that W(x)=exp(ipx) for a free particle and simply produces the conservation of energy equation which is already known to exist from Newtonian mechanics or Fisher’s information extremization which is argued to be the same as Lagrangian variation in (3).
It is well known that a Lagrangian (usually kinetic energy - potential) may be varied to produce Newton’s second law of motion. In (1) it is noted that kinetic energy is proportional to a Fisher’s information of the form b Integral dt dx/dt dx/dt (b=constant) and so in a sense Fisher’s information may be varied together with another piece i.e. -V(x). In (2), it is noted that Fisher’s information, this time with a probability P(x), i.e. b Integral dx P(x) {d/dx ln(P) } {d/dx lnP) } may be varied (with constraints) to yield the Schrodinger equation. (One may note that the two definitions of Fisher’s information are the same if P(x)=x(t)x(t) in the first case.) Here we consider the notion of impulse and pressure which depends on p. We argue that a free quantum particle with constant p undergoes x=p/m t on average, but is associated with a probability distribution exp(ipx) which contains uncertainty in x (within a wavelength) and no time. P, however, represents an impulse which the particle may impart. In the case of potential V(x) one may consider a linear (interfering) sum of exp(ipx)’s i.e. W(x)= wavefunction = Sum over p a(p)exp(ipx). This leads to an average impulse of -idW/dx / W. Classically pressure is created by multiplying impulse by velocity (flux). If time does not exist within a wavelength then there is no time within it. There is, however, still an external clock and p ave in a sense should correspond to an m v(ave) nonrelativistically. Thus WW (bound system) is in a sense like a pressure. One may then suggest that for an equilibrium scenario one extremizes this pressure with respect to constraints (EWW and V(x)W). The variation is with respect to W(x), the wavefunction. Given that a bound particle maps to an rms momentum such that KE(x) = prms(x)prms(x)/2m where prms(x) is the classical value, then at the classical level prms(x) vrms(x) should be pressure and should also satisfy an extremization equation. In fact, the extremization equation using WW should be very closely related to it. One is in fact the d/dx of the other. The classical notion of pressure, proportional to vv, may be extremized subject to constraints. This leads to Newton’s second law which contains d/dt explicitly. Changing to “x” concepts yields v(x)d/dx which may be integrated to yield an energy conservation equation matching the quantum one. Thus we try to think of extremization of Fisher’s information i.e. EPI (extreme physical information) in terms of pressure, in both the classical and quantum cases.
In previous notes, we suggested that quantum bound states may be analysed in terms of the conditional probability P(p/x)= a(p)exp(ipx)/W(x) (where W(x) is the wavefunction) which allows for the calculation of average kinetic energy at each point x i.e. [Sum over p pp/2m P(p/x)]/ W(x). This added to V(x) yields E (average energy) at each x and yields the time-independent Schrodinger equation). We argued that probability is handled at the level of W(x)=Sum over p a(p) exp(ipx). Measurements (even internal) may knock a particle from one p1 state to another so another set of probabilities (P(x) and P(p)) arise, P(x) being based on: a(p1)exp(i p1x) exp(i p2x). Averages of f(p,x) follow from P(x) f(p,x) P(p/x). Thus, there are two sets of probabilities in quantum mechanics. Entropic dynamics (1) appears to begin with the probability P(x) and considers a transition probability P(x1 |x) with x1-x= an infinitesimal quantity. A product of transition probabilities is then taken to allow for finite x1-x differences. It is stated in (1) that there exists information about x but not p. The maximization of entropy density may be used to determine the form of P(x1 | x). A “drift velocity” is also included (which is later shown to be related to the phase of the wavefunction). Ultimately, the Schrodinger equation is also obtained. We argue one may use P(p/x) to also calculate P(x1 | x) and compare this result with that obtained through the maximization of entropy density. A type of drift velocity appears naturally in this approach. We argue that the form a(p)exp(ipx) already incorporates statistical ideas (i.e. maximum entropy) in that the modulus of exp(ipx) is identical for all x, endowing all x points with a “kind” of equivalent status. exp(ipx) is a function of p and x because one must calculate average kinetic energy at each x and this must change with x i.e. KEave(x) + V(x) = E. Thus, we think there are strong similarities between entropic dynamics and the approach of using P(p/x). There are also some differences in that the coefficient A of delta(x)delta(x) in P(x1 | x) = 1/Z exp{ A delta(x)delta(x) + B d Phi/dx delta(x)} is treated as independent of x in entropic dynamics, but is a specific function of x (related to d ln(W)/dx d ln(W)/dx + 1/W d/dx d/dx W) in the P(p/x) approach.
In the literature, stochastic approaches employed to derive the Schrodinger equation seem to focus on the idea of a classical spatial density which depends on time and space ie. density(x,t). As a result, d/dt (partial) density appears in various equations such as the continuity and Focker Planck equations. At one point in the derivation the quantum wavefunction is introduced “mathematically” as W(x,t)=sqrt(density(x,t)) exp(i S(x,t)) where S is related to a velocity field through u(x,t)=velocity= d/dx S. From quantum mechanics, -Et becomes a term of S the velocity field. The stochastic/hydrodynamical approaches employ the term du/dt partial = d/dt (partial) d/dx S and then “pull out”” d/dx leaving d/dt (partial) S which yields -E average energy from the -Et term. In this note we argue that for a bound quantum state density(x) so d/dt (partial) density = 0, yet the statistical ideas of quantum mechanics should be present in such a case. Furthermore for the free particle wavefunction exp(ipx-iEt), density=1. In fact, the Schrodinger equation should follow for a free particle even the case of density=1. Stochastic processes seem to be based on equations which consider a change in classical spatial density at a point x in time due to flow in or out or stochastic changes. Quantum processes seem to deal with periodic probability changes from one dimension to another exp(ipx) (2 dimensions) which are somehow related to a physical process of momentum flow. Ultimately one links this process to an energy conservation which does not seem to be the same as a classical stochastic/hydrodynamical approach. In this note we argue that a free particle with a constant momentum p has periodic stochastic processes associated with it through its complex probability change in the region of its wavelength, but that these are linked to creating the momentum p. Furthermore momentum is linked to energy so we argue that the Schrodinger equation is a stochastic equation linking energy and momentum and that time and space are separated i.e. there is no situation of following a change in spatial density in time for a free particle with momentum p. For a bound state, one has a distribution of free particles, but again time is removed from the problem in the sense that it only appears in exp(-iEt) in the wavefunction to again establish a relationship between energy and average momentum and potential. There is again no nonzero d/dt (partial) density term which seems to be key in stochastic equations. Only if one takes a linear combination of energy eigenstates Sum over En an(En) exp(-iEnt) Wn(x) does one obtain the form density(x,t), but we argue that quantum features should already appear in exp(ipx) and the bound state scenario with a zero d/dt (partial) density(x,t). We argue, however, that the Schrodinger equation and fundamental stochastic ideas of quantum mechanics should already be present at the level of exp(ipx).
In (1) the Schrodinger equation is derived using the extremization of Fisher information in a certain way formulated in (2) i.e. Extreme Physical Information. Fisher information, however, is defined in terms of P(x) which in quantum mechanics is W*(x)W(x) where W(x) is the wavefunction. As a result, the Schrodinger equation is derived in terms of P(x) and then the mathematical substitution P(x)=W(x)W(x) for a bound state “simplifies” the form of the equation. Otherwise there would be no need to introduce the wavefunction. Furthermore P(x) = constant for a quantum free particle which is also a solution of the Schrodinger equation. For P(x)=constant, however, one would normally not consider using the Fisher information. We further note that in a physical example, namely that of the reflection/refraction of light from an interface of media one is forced to introduce the concept of a wavefunction i.e. the square root of flux, otherwise the problem cannot be solved. Thus in this situation one does not solve the problem in terms of P(x) and then introduce W(x) to simplify the form. In particular, if one considers a single photon moving to the right, it either reflects or refracts (with probability), but the ensuing equations involve the weight of the square root fluxes (wavefunctions) of all three. How can this be unless there is uncertainty in time and space which allows one to have all three together? Thus the reflection/refraction problem depends on square root probability or flux and introduces the idea of uncertainty in x, t. Given the translational invariance in the problem, it is natural to introduce the translation operator d/dx. In fact, one may define the uncertainty in x such that one has an eigenfunction of -id/dx i.e. exp(ipx). This is complex and so its modulus respects P(x)=constant which would yield a Fisher’s information of 0, meaning that there is no probability and hence no need for Fisher’s information. There is, however, probability in x, but a different level than the deterministic x=vt where v=constant. Thus we argue that one may obtain exp(ipx) strictly from the notion of translational invariance. In other words, Fisher information is not required to find this form and the quantum physics associated with it. Nevertheless Fisher information and EPI (Extreme physical Information) may be used to derive the Schrodinger equation (applied to a bound state) and one may deduce exp(ipx) from this. We note, however, that Fisher information makes use of d/dx which is the translational generator and so the idea of translational invariance and Fisher’s information/EPI may be linked.
In a series of notes (1), we argued that the time-independent Schrodinger equation may be considered as a statistical conservation of average energy equation. We further argued that V(x)=Sum over k Vk exp(ikx) delivers stochastic potential hits which create a momentum distribution W(x)= Sum over p a(p) exp(ipx) at each x. The form exp(ipx) describes a free particle and a statistical distribution is made of such free particles. The form exp(ipx) has a modulus of 1 indicating that P(x)=constant. d/dx exp(ipx) = ip suggesting the change in conditional probability with space is related to classical momentum. Given a momentum distribution, each p at x occurs at a different time. Thus, one does not follow a classical particle in time x(t), nevertheless an average energy conservation equation applies. Taking the time-independent Schrodinger equation E W = -1/2m d/dx d/dx W + V(x) W and writing EW = i d/dt exp(-iEt), one obtains a time-dependent equation. We argue that if the time-independent case represents a classical conservation of average energy, the time-dependent equation should be linked to Newton’s equation of motion. This immediately leads to a problem because we argue one does not want x(t) for a statistical system. As a result, x in the time-dependent Schrodinger equation, which represented spatial position before, now represents a spatial variable that is independent of time. We consider the oscillator case and note that an amplitude is such a candidate where x(t)=XA(t). Thus, the time-dependent Schrodinger equation ultimately becomes an equation in A(t) with the amplitude cancelling, at least in the free particle and oscillator case. From such a consideration, one may work “backwards” and find a function for which the time-dependent Schrodinger equation (equating powers of X) becomes Newton’s second law. From this, one may show that exp(i Action) where Action = Integral dt1 (0,t) L where L is the classical Lagrangian is this solution with d/dX applying to X which is an amplitude, not x(t).