We analyze Penrose's ideas concerning the role of gravity in the quantum-mechanical state reduction from the perspective of analogue-gravity models. We first review a line of work which argues that it is not enough to find a satisfactory quantization scheme for gravity in the description of a matter-gravity system. Instead of that; the standard rules of quantum mechanics as they are actually applied to matter systems need to be modified when the gravitational interaction is relevant. Among these ideas we focus on Penrose's argument for the absence of macroscopic quantum superpositions. He argues that such phenomenon has its roots in the idiosyncratic aspects of gravity, which become relevant just when the system is macroscopic and hence able to generate a sufficiently strong gravitational field, and not in the environmental decoherence. We then present an analogue model consisting of a Bose-Einstein condensate in a double well potential, where it is possible to build states that would correspond to putative superpositions of spacetimes. Such configurations are unstable and the source of instability from a microscopic point of view can be related to the abscence of a well-defined causal structure in the effective geometric description. We also discuss some additional lessons that can be taken from these instabilities.
We analyze Penrose's ideas concerning the role of gravity in the quantum-mechanical state reduction from the perspective of analogue-gravity models. We first review a line of work which argues that it is not enough to find a satisfactory quantization scheme for gravity in the description of a matter-gravity system. Instead of that; the standard rules of quantum mechanics as they are actually applied to matter systems need to be modified when the gravitational interaction is relevant. Among these ideas we focus on Penrose's argument for the absence of macroscopic quantum superpositions. He argues that such phenomenon has its roots in the idiosyncratic aspects of gravity, which become relevant just when the system is macroscopic and hence able to generate a sufficiently strong gravitational field, and not in the environmental decoherence. We then present an analogue model consisting of a Bose-Einstein condensate in a double well potential, where it is possible to build states that would correspond to putative superpositions of spacetimes. Such configurations are unstable and the source of instability from a microscopic point of view can be related to the abscence of a well-defined causal structure in the effective geometric description. We also discuss some additional lessons that can be taken from these instabilities.
Quantum mechanics provides an extraordinarily accurate description of microscopic systems, yet persistent conceptual difficulties arise when its superposition principle is naively extended to systems involving significant mass displacement. In particular, macroscopic superpositions imply the coexistence of distinct gravitational field configurations, raising questions of spacetime consistency rather than measurement or environmental interaction. This short note argues that the apparent breakdown of macroscopic superposition does not require a collapse mechanism or modification of quantum dynamics. Instead, it reflects a structural admissibility constraint: spacetime permits only one future-consistent geometry sourced by mass. From this perspective, the absence of macroscopic superpositions is a consequence of structural selection rather than dynamical collapse, reframing long-standing debates surrounding quantum mechanics and gravity.
After providing an extensive overview of the conceptual elements – such as Einstein’s ‘hole argument ’ – that underpin Penrose’s proposal for gravitationally induced quantum state reduction, the proposal is constructively criticised. Penrose has suggested a mechanism for objective reduction of quantum states with postulated collapse time τ = ¯h/∆E, where ∆E is an ill-definedness in the gravitational self-energy stemming from the profound conflict between the principles of superposition and general covariance. Here it is argued that, even if Penrose’s overall conceptual scheme for the breakdown of quantum mechanics is unreservedly accepted, his formula for the collapse time of superpositions reduces to τ → ∞ (∆E → 0) in the strictly Newtonian regime, which is the domain of his proposed experiment to corroborate the effect. A suggestion is made to rectify this situation. In particular, recognising the cogency of Penrose’s reasoning in the domain of full ‘quantum gravity’, it is demonstrated that an appropriate experiment which could in principle corroborate his argued ‘macroscopic ’ breakdown of superpositions is not the one involving non-rotating mass distributions as he has suggested, but a Leggett-type SQUID or BEC
Inspired by an ontic view of the wavefunction in quantum mechanics and motivated by the universal interaction of gravity, we discuss a possible gravity implication in the state collapse mechanism. Concretely, we investigate the stability of the spatial superposition of a massive quantum state under the gravity effect. In this context, we argue that the stability of the spatially superposed state depends on its gravitational self-energy originating from the effective mass density distribution through the spatially localized eigenstates. We reveal that the gravitational self-interaction between the different spacetime curvatures created by the eigenstate effective masses leads to the reduction of the superposed state to one of the possible localized states. Among others, we discuss such a gravity-driven state reduction. Then, we approach the corresponding collapse time and the induced effective electric current in the case of a charged state, as well as the possible detection aspects.
Analogue gravity explores how collective excitations in condensed matter systems can reproduce the behavior of fields in curved spacetimes. An important example is the acoustic black holes that can occur for sound in a moving fluid. In these lecture notes, we focus on atomic Bose-Einstein condensates (BECs), quantum fluids that provide an interesting platform for analogue gravity studies thanks to their accurate theoretical description, remarkable experimental control, and ultralow temperatures that allow the quantum nature of sound to emerge. We give a pedagogical introduction to analogue black holes and the theoretical description of BECs and their elementary excitations, which behave as quantum fields in curved spacetimes. We then apply these tools to survey the current understanding of black-hole superradiance and analogue Hawking radiation, including explicit examples and numerical methods.
The stability of a quantum superposition f two different stationary mass distributions is examined, where the perturbing effect of each distribution on the space-time structure is taken into account, in accordance with the principles of general relativity. It is argued that the definition of the time-translation operator for the superposed space-times involves an inherent ill-definedness, leading to an essential uncertainty in the energy of the superposed state which, in the Newtonian limit, is proportional to the gravitational self-energy EA of the difference between the two mass distributions. This is consistent with a suggested finite lifetime of the order of?t/ELx for the superposed state, in agreement with a certain proposal made by the author for a gravitationally induced spontaneous quantum state reduction, and with closely related earlier suggestions by Di6si and by Ghirardi et al. 1. THE PROBLEM OF QUANTUM STATE REDUCTION The fundamental problem of quantum mechanics, as that theory is presently understood, is to make sense of the reduction of the state vector (i.e. collapse of the wavefunction), denoted here by R. This issue is usually addressed in terms of the "quantum measurement problem", which is to comprehend how, upon measurement of a quantum system, this (seem-ingly) discontinuous R-process can come about. A measurement, after all, merely consists of the quantum state under consideration becoming en-tangled with a more extended part of the physical universe, e.g. with a
This paper explores the fundamental nature of spacetime from the perspective of emergent causal structures, rooted in quantum mechanical principles. We propose a theoretical framework that treats spacetime not as a pre-existing background, but as a collective phenomenon arising from the interaction of quantum causal relations. By analyzing the constraints of causality and quantum coherence, we derive key implications for the emergence of classical spacetime geometry and the limits of local realism. Our results suggest a new way to bridge quantum mechanics and gravitational theory, providing a foundation for future studies in quantum gravity and spacetime physics.