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The Concept 'Indistinguishable'

Saunders, Simon

Published Jul 28, 2020• 12 citations
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Abstract

The concept of indistinguishable particles in quantum theory is fundamental to questions of ontology. All ordinary matter is made of electrons, protons, neutrons, and photons and they are all indistinguishable particles. Yet the concept itself has proved elusive, in part because of the interpretational difficulties that afflict quantum theory quite generally, and in part because the concept was so central to the discovery of the quantum itself, by Planck in 1900; it came encumbered with revolution. I offer a deflationary reading of the concept ‘indistinguishable’ that is identical to Gibbs’ concept ‘generic phase’, save that it is defined for state spaces with only finitely-many states of bounded volume and energy (finitely-many orthogonal states, in quantum mechanics). That, and that alone, makes for the difference between the quantum and Gibbs concepts of indistinguishability. This claim is heretical on several counts, but here we consider only the content of the claim itself, and its bearing on the early history of quantum theory rather than in relation to contemporary debates about particle indistinguishability and permutation symmetry. It powerfully illuminates that history.

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The concept of indistinguishable particles in quantum theory is fundamental to questions of ontology. All ordinary matter is made of electrons, protons, neutrons, and photons and they are all indistinguishable particles. Yet the concept itself has proved elusive, in part because of the interpretational difficulties that afflict quantum theory quite generally, and in part because the concept was so central to the discovery of the quantum itself, by Planck in 1900; it came encumbered with revolution. I offer a deflationary reading of the concept ‘indistinguishable’ that is identical to Gibbs’ concept ‘generic phase’, save that it is defined for state spaces with only finitely-many states of bounded volume and energy (finitely-many orthogonal states, in quantum mechanics). That, and that alone, makes for the difference between the quantum and Gibbs concepts of indistinguishability. This claim is heretical on several counts, but here we consider only the content of the claim itself, and its bearing on the early history of quantum theory rather than in relation to contemporary debates about particle indistinguishability and permutation symmetry. It powerfully illuminates that history.
It is widely accepted that the papers by Bose in 1924 and by Einstein in 1924-1925 definitely opened the path to the quantum concept of ‘indistinguishability’. Since then, distinction in physics between ‘identity’ and ‘indistinguishability’ of particles has come to be required. However, even before the rise of quantum physics, Maxwell, Boltzmann and Gibbs, among others, had to tackle the difficulties and paradoxes that appear when counting identical particles. Later, after Sackur’s and Tetrode’s first quantum derivation of the canonical partition function of an ideal gas, much confusion arose around its dependence on the number of molecules in the system. Many other physicists, such as Planck, Lorentz or Schrodinger took part in those debates. In 1921, Ehrenfest and Trkal devoted a whole paper to this subject. Clearly, in the days before Bose’s seminal work, embroiling and misunderstanding were commonplace. In considering the emergence of the distinction between ‘identical’ and ‘indistinguishable’ particles, we will go through the so-called statistical route to quantum mechanics. The first developments in statistical mechanics became immediately confused and entangled with the irruption of quantum physics. In the first quarter of the twentieth century the mutual influence between both disciplines was profuse. We will pay special attention to the story of the so-called ‘Gibbs Paradox.’ We will argue that what is now often known by this name in some textbooks of statistical mechanics did not exist as such in those foundational days.
The Gibbs paradox has frequently been interpreted as a sign that particles of the same kind are fundamentally indistinguishable; and that quantum mechanics, with its identical fermions and bosons, is indispensable for making sense of this. In this article we shall argue, on the contrary, that analysis of the paradox supports the idea that classical particles are always distinguishable. Perhaps surprisingly, this analysis extends to quantum mechanics: even according to quantum mechanics there can be distinguishable particles of the same kind. Our most important general conclusion will accordingly be that the universally accepted notion that quantum particles of the same kind are necessarily indistinguishable rests on a confusion about how particles are represented in quantum theory.
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