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Quantum Measurement and Gödel's Proof

Martin Zwick

Published Jan 1, 1978• 11 citations
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Abstract

The measurement problem in quantum mechanics has the character of a fundamental incompleteness within that theory similar to the incompleteness of axiomatic systems in mathematics, discovered and elaborated by Gödel and others. The difficulty of describing the measurement process by the time-dependent Schrodinger equation may reflect the limitations of formal language , and quantum theory may thus require a formalism consisting of two levels of description, one for the dynamics and one for measurement, levels whose relationship resembles that of a calculus and meta-calculus.

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The measurement problem in quantum mechanics has the character of a fundamental incompleteness within that theory similar to the incompleteness of axiomatic systems in mathematics, discovered and elaborated by Gödel and others. The difficulty of describing the measurement process by the time-dependent Schrodinger equation may reflect the limitations of formal language , and quantum theory may thus require a formalism consisting of two levels of description, one for the dynamics and one for measurement, levels whose relationship resembles that of a calculus and meta-calculus.
The measurement problem is one of the greatest unsolved mystery of the foundations of quantum mechanics. This paper is an exploration of the underlying subtleties of this phenomenon from the standpoint of the quantum mechanical interpretations that are available to us at the moment. First, we revisit the infamous double slit experiment and contrast between the observer dependent and observer independent effects on the measurement process. In this regard, we have tried to establish a causal relationship between the observer's consciousness and the collapse of the wave function. The point is justified through the application of Godel's incompleteness theorems. Finally, we perform a thought experiment which shall validate our conclusions.
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Einstein's article on the EPR paradox is the most cited of his works, but not many know that it was not fully representative of the way he thought about the incompleteness of the quantum formalism. Indeed, his main worry was not Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, which he accepted, but the experimental non-separability of spatially separate systems. The same problem was also recognized, years later, by one of us, as part of an axiomatic analysis of the quantum formalism, which revealed an unexpected structural limitation of the quantum formalism in Hilbert space, preventing the description of separate systems. As we will explain, this limitation does not manifest at the level of the states, but of the projectors describing the properties, in the sense that there are not enough properties in the formalism to describe separate systems. The question remains whether separability is a possibility at the fundamental level and if a formalism should integrate it into its mathematical structure, as a possibility. To aid our intuition, we offer a reflection based on a powerful analogy between physical systems and human conceptual entities, as the question of separability also arises for the latter.
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