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Gravity and state vector reduction.

Roger Penrose

Published Jan 1, 1986• 102 citations
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A gravity-induced approach to wavefunction collapse based on semiclassical gravity is enhanced by the hypothesis of a temporally expanding spacetime, which leads to a collapse model that can resolve the conflict between quantum nonlocality and relativity. It is postulated that the spacetime region on which the evolution of the state vector exists is bounded towards the future by a border that is dynamically moving towards the future, and at which the state vector must fulfil a boundary condition. Wavefunction collapse is represented in such a way that the evolution of the state vector changes abruptly at critical spacetime expansions to an evolution resembling a classical trajectory. This can explain the correlations in EPR experiments without coming into conflict with relativity, since the evolution of the state vector before and after the abrupt change is governed solely by local physical laws. This model leads to the same lifetimes of superpositions as the gravity-based approaches of Diosi and Penrose, and is characterised by the facts that energy is conserved at collapse and that the reduction point in time does not vary statistically. Some unique features of the model are that it naturally leads to stochastic behaviour and that it can predict reduction probabilities. It explains why all experiments performed so far behave in agreement with Born's rule, due to a property that they have in common. This gives rise to new experiments for checking Born's rule, which can be realised in the short term.

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A local deterministic model of quantum spin measurement

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Abstract The conventional view, that Einstein was wrong to believe that quantum physics is local and deterministic, is challenged. A parametrized model, 'Q' for the state vector evolution of spin-1/2 particles during measurement is developed. Q draws on recent work on ‘riddled basins’ in dynamical systems theory, and is local, determin­istic, nonlinear and time asymmetric. Moreover, the evolution of the state vector to one of two chaotic attractors (taken to represent observed spin states) is effectively uncomputable. Motivation for considering this model arises from speculations about the (time asymmetric and uncomputable) nature of quantum gravity, and the (nonlinear) role of gravity in quantum state vector reduction. Although the evolution of Qs state vector cannot be determined by a numerical algorithm, the probability that initial states in some given region of phase space will evolve to one of these attractors, is itself computable. These probabilities can be made to correspond to observed quantum spin probabilities. In an ensemble sense, the evolution of the state vector to an attractor can be described by a diffusive random walk process, suggesting that deterministic dynamics may underlie recent attempts to model state vector evolution by stochastic equations. Bell’s theorem and a version of the Bell-Kochen-Specker quantum entanglement paradox, as illustrated by Penrose’s ‘magic dodecahedra’, are discussed using Q as a model of quantum spin measurement. It is shown that in both cases, proving an inconsistency with locality demands the existence of definite truth values to certain counterfactual propositions. In Q these deterministic propositions are uncomputable, and no non-algorithmic mathematical solution is either known or suspected. Adapt­ing the mathematical formalist approach, the non-existence of definite truth values to such counterfactual propositions is posited. No inconsistency with experiment is found. As a result, it is claimed that Q is not constrained by Bell’s inequality, locality and determinism notwithstanding.

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Lisi, Marrone, and Montanino have recently proposed a test for quantum gravity induced decoherence effects in neutrino oscillations observed at Super-Kamiokande. We comment here that their equations have the same qualitative form as the energy conserving objective state vector reduction equations discussed by a number of authors. However, using the Planckian parameter value proposed to explain state vector reduction leads to a neutrino oscillation effect many orders of magnitude smaller than would be detectable at Super-Kamiokande. Similar estimates hold for the Ghirardi, Rimini, and Weber spontaneous localization approach to state vector reduction, and our remarks are relevant as well to proposed K meson and B meson tests of gravity induced decoherence.
A gravity-induced approach to wavefunction collapse based on semiclassical gravity is enhanced by the hypothesis of a temporally expanding spacetime, which leads to a collapse model that can resolve the conflict between quantum nonlocality and relativity. It is postulated that the spacetime region on which the evolution of the state vector exists is bounded towards the future by a border that is dynamically moving towards the future, and at which the state vector must fulfil a boundary condition. Wavefunction collapse is represented in such a way that the evolution of the state vector changes abruptly at critical spacetime expansions to an evolution resembling a classical trajectory. This can explain the correlations in EPR experiments without coming into conflict with relativity, since the evolution of the state vector before and after the abrupt change is governed solely by local physical laws. This model leads to the same lifetimes of superpositions as the gravity-based approaches of Diosi and Penrose, and is characterised by the facts that energy is conserved at collapse and that the reduction point in time does not vary statistically. Some unique features of the model are that it naturally leads to stochastic behaviour and that it can predict reduction probabilities. It explains why all experiments performed so far behave in agreement with Born's rule, due to a property that they have in common. This gives rise to new experiments for checking Born's rule, which can be realised in the short term.
Abstract The conventional view, that Einstein was wrong to believe that quantum physics is local and deterministic, is challenged. A parametrized model, 'Q' for the state vector evolution of spin-1/2 particles during measurement is developed. Q draws on recent work on ‘riddled basins’ in dynamical systems theory, and is local, determin­istic, nonlinear and time asymmetric. Moreover, the evolution of the state vector to one of two chaotic attractors (taken to represent observed spin states) is effectively uncomputable. Motivation for considering this model arises from speculations about the (time asymmetric and uncomputable) nature of quantum gravity, and the (nonlinear) role of gravity in quantum state vector reduction. Although the evolution of Qs state vector cannot be determined by a numerical algorithm, the probability that initial states in some given region of phase space will evolve to one of these attractors, is itself computable. These probabilities can be made to correspond to observed quantum spin probabilities. In an ensemble sense, the evolution of the state vector to an attractor can be described by a diffusive random walk process, suggesting that deterministic dynamics may underlie recent attempts to model state vector evolution by stochastic equations. Bell’s theorem and a version of the Bell-Kochen-Specker quantum entanglement paradox, as illustrated by Penrose’s ‘magic dodecahedra’, are discussed using Q as a model of quantum spin measurement. It is shown that in both cases, proving an inconsistency with locality demands the existence of definite truth values to certain counterfactual propositions. In Q these deterministic propositions are uncomputable, and no non-algorithmic mathematical solution is either known or suspected. Adapt­ing the mathematical formalist approach, the non-existence of definite truth values to such counterfactual propositions is posited. No inconsistency with experiment is found. As a result, it is claimed that Q is not constrained by Bell’s inequality, locality and determinism notwithstanding.