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Observables and Dynamics, Quantum to Classical, from a Relativity Symmetry Perspective

Chuan Sheng Chew, Otto C. W. Kong, Jason Payne

Published Mar 12, 2017• 3 citations
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Abstract

Motivated by a recent investigation into the notion of a quantum space underlying ordinary quantum mechanics, we reformulate here the WWGM formalism with canonical coherent states and wavefunctions as expansion coefficients in terms of this basis as the starting point. It turns out that this provides us with a transparent and coherent story of simple quantum dynamics where both states (pure and mixed, making use of the Tomita representation), as wavefunctions in Hilbert spaces, and observables arise from \textit{a single space/algebra}. Altogether, putting the emphasis on building our theory out of the underlying relativity symmetry -- the centrally extended Galilean symmetry in the case at hand -- allows one to naturally derive both a kinematical and a dynamical description of a (free) quantum particle, which moreover recovers the corresponding classical picture (understood in terms of the Koopman-von Neumann formalism) in the appropriate (relativity symmetry contraction) limit. Our formulation here is the most natural framework directly connecting all of the relevant mathematical notions and we hope it may help a general physicist better visualize and appreciate the noncommutative-geometric perspective behind quantum physics.

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Motivated by a recent investigation into the notion of a quantum space underlying ordinary quantum mechanics, we reformulate here the WWGM formalism with canonical coherent states and wavefunctions as expansion coefficients in terms of this basis as the starting point. It turns out that this provides us with a transparent and coherent story of simple quantum dynamics where both states (pure and mixed, making use of the Tomita representation), as wavefunctions in Hilbert spaces, and observables arise from \textit{a single space/algebra}. Altogether, putting the emphasis on building our theory out of the underlying relativity symmetry -- the centrally extended Galilean symmetry in the case at hand -- allows one to naturally derive both a kinematical and a dynamical description of a (free) quantum particle, which moreover recovers the corresponding classical picture (understood in terms of the Koopman-von Neumann formalism) in the appropriate (relativity symmetry contraction) limit. Our formulation here is the most natural framework directly connecting all of the relevant mathematical notions and we hope it may help a general physicist better visualize and appreciate the noncommutative-geometric perspective behind quantum physics.
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Abstract Quantum reference frame as in the example of observing a quantum particle from another has been a topic of much recent interest. Quantum spatial translations, quantum rotations, and quantum Lorentz boosts in the sense have been studied to some extent. The article aims at using a consistent formulation of all that to give a full picture of what would be the symmetry of Special Quantum Relativity as special relativity as seen from quantum particles. We first look at a direct formulation of the mathematical quantum analog of any classical one-parameter Lie group of such transformations suggested by our Heisenberg picture thinking of quantum mechanics. A quantum rotation and a quantum Lorentz boost are presented. Analysis of the compositions of two such transformations shows unnatural results with various problems, especially with their commutators. From a physical point of view, we argue for a modified formulation. A quantum reference frame transformation, as the description of firstly the spacetime position of an object, idealized as a particle, as seen from another has to involve a full set of four-coordinate quantum quantities instead of one in a single coordinate only. Unlike the classical case, we illustrate that the analog of a change by the zero classical coordinate values has nontrivial effects in the transformation. A consistent full picture of the symmetry is then obtained. Results that could be interpreted essentially as the quantum analogs of the translation of a single coordinate observable, including angular ones for a rotation or a boost, can be retrieved from that but only as approximations. Under the traditional perspective of relativity symmetry being about spacetime reference frames, our task is then completed. We further look at the quantum version of Heisenberg–Weyl symmetry and perspectives on its relation with the subject matter and argue for the necessity of our background noncommutative geometric perspective for a conceptual consistent story.
Based on a linear realization formulation of a quantum relativity, — proposed relativity for 'quantum space-time', we introduce the new Poincare-Snyder relativity and Snyder relativity as relativities in between the latter and the well known Galilean and Einstein cases. While there is supposed to be not separate notion of classical and quantum mechanics at the level of the very unconventional quantum relativity, the Poincare-Snyder relativity is more like a mathematically extended form of Einstein relativity on which we can write down a formal canonical classical and quantum mechanics. We discuss how the Poincare-Snyder relativity may provide a stronger framework for the description of the usual (Einstein) relativistic quantum mechanics and present a first look of the interesting picture from the new perspective.
Coherent quantum physics is quantum physics in terms of a coherent space and an appropriate coherent product. The kinematical structure and the meaning of the quantities are given by the symmetries (invertible coherent maps) of the coherent space. If Z is a coherent manifold, a canonical symplectic form is often canonically determined by the coherent product through the coherent action principle discussed in Section 6.1. In a quantum mechanical context, Z is indeed a classical phase space or an extended phase space-typically a symplectic manifold, a Poisson manifold, or a circle or line bundle over such a manifold that incorporates the classical action variable (encoding the Berry phase under quantization). For example, the Aharonov-Bohm effect [3] needs the bundle formulation. A coherent space and its quantum space provide a classical and a quantum view of the same physical system, discussed in Section 6.2. Section 6.3 shows that symmetries of coherent spaces can be quantized, that is, promoted to linear operators on the quantum space. This leads to quantum dynamics, which in special (completely integrable) situations can be solved in closed form in terms of classical motions on the underlying coherent space, if the latter has a compatible manifold structure. Close relations to concepts from geometric quantization and Kähler manifolds are pointed out in Section 6.4. In order that the quantum space of a coherent space Z can describe physics, one needs not only a distinguished class of coherent states but a more general concept of state. In Sections 6.5-6.6, we give a general abstract setting for states in Lie ∗-algebras, emphasize the essential mathematical features and the close analogy between classical and quantum physics. We illustrate these generalities with a number of examples in Section 6.7. The coherent action principle is put to use in Section 6.8 for numerical quantum physics and an application to quantum chaos. Spectral issues can, in favorable cases, be handled in terms of dynamical Lie algebras, discussed in Section 6.9.
The physical content of a theory is not intrinsically tied to any single mathematical formalism. Both classical and quantum mechanics admit equivalent representations, notably in phase space and in Hilbert space, related by the Wigner-Weyl correspondence. While this correspondence has long been studied in mathematical physics, its foundational and operational implications are often left implicit. Here we give a systematic account of what changes, and what does not, when classical and quantum theories are expressed in each other's native language. This representational viewpoint separates artifacts (such as the appearance of non-positivity or negativity under certain maps) from robust structural distinctions that persist across representations, in particular noncommutativity and its ℏ\hbarℏ-dependent ⋆\star⋆-deformation of the classical algebra. We develop the comparison at the level of states, kinematics, and dynamics, and extend it to measurement by formulating both outcome statistics and state-update rules within the same framework.