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The Bell Phenomenon in a Probabilistic Approach

Enrico G. Beltrametti, Slawomir Bugajski

Published Jan 1, 2002• 1 citation
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10.1007/978-94-010-0385-8_14

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The main claim of Baumeler et al. (Proc. R. Soc. A 481, 20240601; arXiv:2206.08467) is that "functional (deterministic) no-signalling resources can be stronger than probabilistic ones" in a certain nonlocal game on a Bell scenario with countably many parties. We disagree and argue that (i) under standard definitions, deterministic no-signalling resources are always probabilistic no-signalling resources; (ii) the deterministic strategy considered in Baumeler et al. can be promoted to a genuinely probabilistic strategy with similar properties; and (iii) a key step in a derivation in Baumeler et al., claimed to hold for all no-signalling strategies, implicitly assumes measurability, leaving a gap in the argument. We propose measurability assumptions which we conjecture would make this derivation rigorous. Taken together, the phenomenon highlighted by Baumeler et al. is best understood as a difference between measurable and non-measurable no-signalling resources.
Quantum nonlocality is presented often as the most remarkable and inexplicable phenomenon known to modern science. It has been known already for a long time that the probabilistic models used to prove Bell and Clauser-Horn-Shimony-Holt inequalities (BI-CHSH) for spin polarization correlation experiments (SPCE) are incompatible with the experimental protocols of SPCE. In particular these models use the same common probability space, joint probability distributions and/or conditional independence to describe coincidence experiments in incompatible experimental settings. Strangely enough these results are not known or simply neglected. This is why we will once again reanalyze Bell locality assumptions and show that they have nothing to do with the notion of Einsteinian locality therefore their violation should not be called quantum nonlocality but rather quantum non-Kolmogorovness or quantum contextuality. Moreover if local variables describing the measuring instruments are correctly taken into account then BI-CHSH can no longer be proven and one can easily construct non-signaling probabilistic models able to reproduce the predictions of QT. The violation of BI-CHSH is considered usually as a proof that a quantum state is entangled. Since BI-CHSH are violated also in some experiments from outside the domain of quantum physics therefore the entanglement is not exclusively a quantum phenomenon. In order to further demystify these notions we show that one can prepare two macroscopic systems in such a way that simple realizable local experiments on these systems violate BI. In view of these arguments the further testing of BI-CHSH inequalities in search for the loopholes does not seem to be necessary.