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The Schrödinger atom

A. D. Vlasov

Published Feb 28, 1993• 3 citations
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Abstract

Aspects of an electrodynamical interpretation of the wave function suggested by Schrodinger are described. According to this conception, electron charge is continuously distributed throughout the interior of the atomic system. A proof is given that classical electrodynamics holds within an atom. The Schrodinger atom is shown to be the only model in which electrons do not lose their energy through emission when they move around the nucleus. The value of the self-field of the distributed electron charge is estimated. Practical applications of this concept are noted, including a new trend in quantum electrodynamics. Experimental and theoretical confirmation of the model of an atom with continuously distributed charge is presented.

DOI
10.1070/pu1993v036n02abeh002132

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Aspects of an electrodynamical interpretation of the wave function suggested by Schrodinger are described. According to this conception, electron charge is continuously distributed throughout the interior of the atomic system. A proof is given that classical electrodynamics holds within an atom. The Schrodinger atom is shown to be the only model in which electrons do not lose their energy through emission when they move around the nucleus. The value of the self-field of the distributed electron charge is estimated. Practical applications of this concept are noted, including a new trend in quantum electrodynamics. Experimental and theoretical confirmation of the model of an atom with continuously distributed charge is presented.
The Schrodinger equation is a quantum physics partial differential equation used to determine the wave function and energy of atomic and molecular systems. It is a non-relativistic phenomenological equation that is solved to acquire insight into the qualities of a physical system. Calculation of an infinite set of linked integrodifferential equations is required in the general situation [3 ]. He found the electron in 1897, and that led to a model of an atom that had protons and electrons that had different charges. An experiment done by Ernest Rutherford and others in 1911 found that the positive charge in an atom was concentrated in space much smaller than the size of the atom itself. This is what they found. This led to a picture of the atom as a small solar system with a big, positively charged nucleus and a group of electrons that move around it all the time[4].
In Part one of this Paper a hypothesis is forwarded of the electron charge in an atom existing in a distributed form. To check it by methods of electrodynamics and mechanics (without invoking the formalism of quantum mechanics and the concepts of the wave function and of the operators), the potential, kinetic, and total energies were calculated for three states of the hydrogen atom, which were found to agree closely with the available experimental data. The Part two of the Paper offers additional assumptions concerning various scenarios of motion of elements of the distributed electron charge which obey fully the laws of theoretical mechanics. The angular momentum of the ground-state hydrogen atom calculated in the frame of theoretical mechanics is shown to coincide with the spin which is ℏ/2\hbar/2ℏ/2.
Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) has been extremely successful inits predictive capability for atomic phenomena. Thus the greatest hope for any alternative view is solely to mimic the predictive capability of quantum mechanics (QM), and perhaps its usefulness will lie in gaining a better understanding of microscopic phenomena. Many “paradoxes” and problematic situations emerge in QED. To combat the QED problems, the field of Stochastics Electrodynamics (SE) emerged, wherein a random “zero point radiation” is assumed to fill all of space in an attmept to explain quantum phenomena, without some of the paradoxical concerns. SE, however, has greater failings. One is that the electromagnetic field energy must be infinit eto work. We have examined a deterministic side branch of SE, “self field” electrodynamics, which may overcome the probelms of SE. Self field electrodynamics (SFE) utilizes the chaotic nature of electromagnetic emissions, as charges lose energy near atomic dimensions, to try to understand and mimic quantum phenomena. These fields and charges can “interact with themselves” in a non-linear fashion, and may thereby explain many quantum phenomena from a semi-classical viewpoint. Referred to as self fields, they have gone by other names in the literature: “evanesccent radiation”, “virtual photons”, and “vacuum fluctuations”. Using self fields, we discuss the uncertainty principles, the Casimir effects, and the black-body radiation spectrum, diffraction and interference effects, Schrodinger's equation, Planck's constant, and the nature of the electron and how they might be understood in the present framework. No new theory could ever replace QED. The self field view (if correct) would, at best, only serve to provide some understanding of the processes by which strange quantum phenomena occur at the atomic level. We discuss possible areas where experiments might be employed to test SFE, and areas where future work may lie.
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The hydrogen atom is the Rosetta stone of the early twentieth century atomic physics. The attempt to decipher its structure and properties led to the development of quantum mechanics and the unraveling of many of the mysteries of atomic, molecular, and solid state physics, and a good deal of chemistry and modern biology. Unlike the various one-dimensional model problems that we have been studying in the previous chapters, the hydrogen atom is a real physical system in three dimensions. It consists of an electron moving in a spherically symmetric potential well due to the Coulomb attraction of the positively charged nucleus. In three dimensions, the electron is not constrained to move linearly. It can execute orbital motions and, thus, has angular momentum. Not only is the total energy of the electron in the atom quantized, its angular momentum also has interesting and unexpected quantized properties that cannot possibly be understood on the basis of classical mechanics and electrodynamics. They are, however, the natural and necessary consequences of the basic postulates of quantum mechanics, as will be shown in this chapter. According to classical mechanics and electrodynamics, it is not possible to have a stable structure consisting of a small positively charged nucleus at the center of an electrically neutral atom with an electron sitting in its vicinity. For the electron not to be attracted into the positive charge, it must be orbiting around the nucleus so that the centrifugal force will counter the Coulomb attraction of the nucleus and maintain a constant electron orbit.
We investigate the meaning of the wave function by analyzing the mass and charge density distributions of a quantum system. According to protective measurement, a charged quantum system has effective mass and charge density distributing in space, proportional to the square of the absolute value of its wave function. In a realistic interpretation, the wave function of a quantum system can be taken as a description of either a physical field or the ergodic motion of a particle. The essential difference between a field and the ergodic motion of a particle lies in the property of simultaneity; a field exists throughout space simultaneously, whereas the ergodic motion of a particle exists throughout space in a time‐divided way. If the wave function is a physical field, then the mass and charge density will be distributed in space simultaneously for a charged quantum system, and thus there will exist gravitational and electrostatic self‐interactions of its wave function. This not only violates the superposition principle of quantum mechanics but also contradicts experimental observations. Thus the wave function cannot be a description of a physical field but be a description of the ergodic motion of a particle. For the later there is only a localized particle with mass and charge at every instant, and thus there will not exist any self‐interaction for the wave function. It is further argued that the classical ergodic models, which assume continuous motion of particles, cannot be consistent with quantum mechanics. Based on the negative result, we suggest that the wave function is a description of the quantum motion of particles, which is random and discontinuous in nature. On this interpretation, the square of the absolute value of the wave function not only gives the probability of the particle being found in certain locations, but also gives the probability of the particle being there. The suggested new interpretation of the wave function provides a natural realistic alternative to the orthodox interpretation, and it also implies that the de Broglie‐Bohm theory and many‐worlds interpretation are wrong and the dynamical collapse theories are in the right direction by admitting wavefunction collapse.