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Physical review. D. Particles, fields, gravitation, and cosmology/Physical review. D. Particles and fields

Comment on ‘‘Unified dynamics for microscopic and macroscopic systems’’

Erich Joos

Published Nov 15, 1987• 30 citations
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Abstract

A nonunitary dynamics for a macroscopic object arises as a natural consequence of a universally valid Schr"odinger equation and thus need not be postulated ad hoc. The density-matrix formalism does not, however, allow one to deduce classical states (particle trajectories) without invoking additional principles.
DOI
10.1103/physrevd.36.3285

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