Challenges
Datasets
Workspaces
Papers
Discussions
Leaderboard
Log inSign up
Challenges
Datasets
Workspaces
Papers
Discussions
Leaderboard
Blog
Job Board
Q3AS

© 2026 Aqora Quantum S.A.S.

TermsPrivacyLegal Notice

Journal of the Optical Society of America

Statistical properties of ensembles of classical wave packets

Sherman Karp

Published Apr 1, 1975• 8 citations
Publisher

Abstract

Over the past two decades there has been a renewed interest in the properties of light and its interactions with matter. In particular, the phenomenon of mixing on the surface of a quantum detector, first performed by Forrester and Gudmundsen, has had significant impact on the treatment of the interaction of light with matter. Mandel and Wolf have interpreted optical mixing of two fields in terms of wave-packet interactions. The wave packets of the fields were allowed to add in a classical manner, without any interaction between photons. In this paper, we consider the extension to an ensemble of statistical wave packets. This is accomplished by considering the wave-packet ensemble as a generalized shot-noise process, and generating statistical properties of the ensemble. The first-order probability density is obtained for the envelope of an ensemble in which each member has uniform and independently distributed phase. This is then used to compute the resulting photoelectron-counting distribution. The results can be shown to be somewhat different than would arise from a gaussian field, and a statistical test is derived to compare the two.

DOI
10.1364/josa.65.000421

Related papers

Test for the nonexistence of photons

Sherman Karp

Extending the concept of the classical addition of wave packets to that of a random ensemble, a hypothesis has been proposed that treats the classical field as such an ensemble. Computations of the resulting field envelope and short-term counting statistics were also made. As a consequence, a test was proposed that would essentially measure the “shot noise” inherent in such a model and differentiate it from the discreteness resulting from the photodetection process. In this paper the test is examined in terms of the resources and environment necessary to perform it.

Journal of the Optical Society of America•Dec 1, 1976•2 citations

“Test for the nonexistence of photons” and “Photoelectric counting measurements as a test for the existence of photons”

Sherman Karp

In recent articles by this author, [ S. Karp , Statistical properties of ensembles of classical wave packets, J. Opt. Soc. Am.65, 421 ( 1975); S. Karp , Test for the nonexistence of photons, J. Opt. Soc. Am.66, 1421 ( 1976)], a radiation model was proposed that could lead to the identification of certain classical properties of the field, based upon photoelectric counting experiments. Mandel [ L. Mandel , Photoelectric counting measurements as a test for the existence of photons, J. Opt. Soc. Am.67, 1101 ( 1977)] responded by asserting that “It follows that for any field for which a classical wave description exists, in the sense that the phase-space density ϕ({ν}), and therefore P(u), are non-negative it is impossible to distinguish between photons and light waves in photoelectric counting experiments.” This statement is based upon the derivation of similar photoelectron counting equations using quantum and classical techniques. It is the mathematically loose associations and subsequent rigid physical interpretation implied in relating the two equations that is under contention. It seems to us that the model-computation-effect approach to physics is still solvent. In particular, if we can model an effect as small as the radiation from an individual electron and produce a predictable effect, then the physics underlying the model must be seriously considered.

Journal of the Optical Society of America•Sep 1, 1979•0 citations

Optical coherence properties of collective molecular systems: A comparison of the statistical and quantum approaches

Izo I. Abram, Robin M. Hochstrasser

The formalism of collective (Dicke-like) states and operators is used to describe the relaxation of the initially prepared state of a material in the presence of a laser field. The material states are shown to be expressible as minimum uncertainty wave packets formed from those special collective states that couple with the radiation field. It is shown that these coherent states of matter exhibit all the features that are usually attributed to ensemble averages of two-level molecules in a conventional statistical picture. However, there are new features in the quantum mechanical model when there are correlations among the molecules in the ensemble. The loss of minimum uncertainty characteristics of the wave packet correspnds to the transverse (T2) relaxation of the statistical model. Different types of T2 processes can be defined corresponding to the decay of different orders of coherence of the wave packet. Only for the case that the system decays in all orders of coherence do the quantum and statistical results coincide. There is expected to be a transverse relaxation that preserves one or more orders of coherence. Experiments are suggested that can test these ideas. A particular case of the formalism of collective states applies to molecular crystals and it provides a quantum mechanical picture of the dephasing of molecular excitons in terms of orders of coherence analogous to the usual manner of describing states of the radiation field.

The Journal of Chemical Physics•Jul 1, 1981•12 citations

ON THE DETERMINATION OF THE STATISTICAL PROPERTIES OF LIGHT FROM PHOTOELECTRIC MEASUREMENTS

J. PEf Ina

A relation is derived between the probability distribution of the integrated intensity of light incident on a photoelectric detector and that of the emission of n photoelectrons in a time interval (t, t + T) from the properties of a quantized electromagnetic field. Both the direct and the inverse relations are derived, thereby enabling the statistical properties of light to be determined from photoelectric measurements. An explicit expression is given for the coefficients for calculating the moments ( W k) by means of the moments (n J) (] = 1, 2 ..... k). The correctness of the operations in which generalized functions occur is confirmed by some direct calculations. The significance of photoelectric detectors has been increasing of late. Since their response is proportional to the intensity of incident light (to the square of the amplitude of light) (more exactly, to the local mean time value of the intensity), one speaks of quadratic detectors. These detectors are of basic importance in the theory of the coherence of the electromagnetic field, since if we place N such detectors into N different points in space and if we lead the outputs of these detectors to the correlator we can measure the correlation (coherence) effects of the 2N-th order in the given field [1]. Such correlation measurements provide information on the energy distribution in the radiation spectrum [2], the angular dimensions of stars [3], and the state of polarization [4] and also enable the phase of physically important functions (e.g. the scattering amplitudes) [5] to be determined. Although in such experiments the properties of photoelectrons are studied rather than of photons, they reflect the basic properties of photons. Let the probability distribution Of the emission of n photoelectrons in a time interval (t, t + T) be p(n, T, t) - p(n) and let the probability distribution of the quantity W(T, t) = W = J'tt+r I(t') dr', where I(t) is the intensity of linearly polarized light incident on the photodetector (for simplicity we assume that the sensitivity of the photocathode is a = 1), be P(W). The quantity W can be regarded as a classical characteristic of the field, the quantity n represents the quantum characteristic of the field. Then, on the basis of such a semi-classical description, in which the field is described classically, but its interaction is described quantum-wise, one can derive the following relation [6]

•Jan 1, 1967•1 citation

Photon Counting Statistics of Harmonic Signal Mixed with Thermal Light. I. Single Photoelectron Counting

A. K. Jaiswal, C. L. Mehta

In this paper, we consider the photoelectron counting distribution when the wave field incident on the detector is a mixture of harmonic signal and thermal noise. An expression for the factorial moment-generating function of the number of counts is obtained in terms of the eigenvalues of an associated integral equation. This expression is then used to evaluate the factorial cumulants of the number of counts. The results are valid for an arbitrary counting interval. The extension to photoelectron counting with several detectors is considered in paper II of the present investigation.

Physical Review A•Jul 1, 1970•42 citations

Quantum-classical comparison: arrival times and statistics

S V Mousavi, Salvador Miret-Artés

Classical and quantum scattering of a non-Gaussian wave packet by a rectangular barrier is studied in terms of arrival times to a given detector location. A classical wave equation, proposed by N. Rosen [{\it{Am. J. Phys.}} {\bf 32} (1964) 377], is used to study the corresponding classical dynamics. Mean arrival times are then computed and compared for different values of initial wave packet parameters and barrier width. The agreement is improved in the large mass limit as one expects. A short comment on the possibility of generalization of Rosen's proposal to a two-body system is given. Differences in distributions of particles obeying different statistics are studied by considering a system composed of two free particles.

arXiv:1307.2835•Physica Scripta•Jan 21, 2015•1 citation
Over the past two decades there has been a renewed interest in the properties of light and its interactions with matter. In particular, the phenomenon of mixing on the surface of a quantum detector, first performed by Forrester and Gudmundsen, has had significant impact on the treatment of the interaction of light with matter. Mandel and Wolf have interpreted optical mixing of two fields in terms of wave-packet interactions. The wave packets of the fields were allowed to add in a classical manner, without any interaction between photons. In this paper, we consider the extension to an ensemble of statistical wave packets. This is accomplished by considering the wave-packet ensemble as a generalized shot-noise process, and generating statistical properties of the ensemble. The first-order probability density is obtained for the envelope of an ensemble in which each member has uniform and independently distributed phase. This is then used to compute the resulting photoelectron-counting distribution. The results can be shown to be somewhat different than would arise from a gaussian field, and a statistical test is derived to compare the two.
Extending the concept of the classical addition of wave packets to that of a random ensemble, a hypothesis has been proposed that treats the classical field as such an ensemble. Computations of the resulting field envelope and short-term counting statistics were also made. As a consequence, a test was proposed that would essentially measure the “shot noise” inherent in such a model and differentiate it from the discreteness resulting from the photodetection process. In this paper the test is examined in terms of the resources and environment necessary to perform it.
In recent articles by this author, [ S. Karp , Statistical properties of ensembles of classical wave packets, J. Opt. Soc. Am.65, 421 ( 1975); S. Karp , Test for the nonexistence of photons, J. Opt. Soc. Am.66, 1421 ( 1976)], a radiation model was proposed that could lead to the identification of certain classical properties of the field, based upon photoelectric counting experiments. Mandel [ L. Mandel , Photoelectric counting measurements as a test for the existence of photons, J. Opt. Soc. Am.67, 1101 ( 1977)] responded by asserting that “It follows that for any field for which a classical wave description exists, in the sense that the phase-space density ϕ({ν}), and therefore P(u), are non-negative it is impossible to distinguish between photons and light waves in photoelectric counting experiments.” This statement is based upon the derivation of similar photoelectron counting equations using quantum and classical techniques. It is the mathematically loose associations and subsequent rigid physical interpretation implied in relating the two equations that is under contention. It seems to us that the model-computation-effect approach to physics is still solvent. In particular, if we can model an effect as small as the radiation from an individual electron and produce a predictable effect, then the physics underlying the model must be seriously considered.
The formalism of collective (Dicke-like) states and operators is used to describe the relaxation of the initially prepared state of a material in the presence of a laser field. The material states are shown to be expressible as minimum uncertainty wave packets formed from those special collective states that couple with the radiation field. It is shown that these coherent states of matter exhibit all the features that are usually attributed to ensemble averages of two-level molecules in a conventional statistical picture. However, there are new features in the quantum mechanical model when there are correlations among the molecules in the ensemble. The loss of minimum uncertainty characteristics of the wave packet correspnds to the transverse (T2) relaxation of the statistical model. Different types of T2 processes can be defined corresponding to the decay of different orders of coherence of the wave packet. Only for the case that the system decays in all orders of coherence do the quantum and statistical results coincide. There is expected to be a transverse relaxation that preserves one or more orders of coherence. Experiments are suggested that can test these ideas. A particular case of the formalism of collective states applies to molecular crystals and it provides a quantum mechanical picture of the dephasing of molecular excitons in terms of orders of coherence analogous to the usual manner of describing states of the radiation field.
A relation is derived between the probability distribution of the integrated intensity of light incident on a photoelectric detector and that of the emission of n photoelectrons in a time interval (t, t + T) from the properties of a quantized electromagnetic field. Both the direct and the inverse relations are derived, thereby enabling the statistical properties of light to be determined from photoelectric measurements. An explicit expression is given for the coefficients for calculating the moments ( W k) by means of the moments (n J) (] = 1, 2 ..... k). The correctness of the operations in which generalized functions occur is confirmed by some direct calculations. The significance of photoelectric detectors has been increasing of late. Since their response is proportional to the intensity of incident light (to the square of the amplitude of light) (more exactly, to the local mean time value of the intensity), one speaks of quadratic detectors. These detectors are of basic importance in the theory of the coherence of the electromagnetic field, since if we place N such detectors into N different points in space and if we lead the outputs of these detectors to the correlator we can measure the correlation (coherence) effects of the 2N-th order in the given field [1]. Such correlation measurements provide information on the energy distribution in the radiation spectrum [2], the angular dimensions of stars [3], and the state of polarization [4] and also enable the phase of physically important functions (e.g. the scattering amplitudes) [5] to be determined. Although in such experiments the properties of photoelectrons are studied rather than of photons, they reflect the basic properties of photons. Let the probability distribution Of the emission of n photoelectrons in a time interval (t, t + T) be p(n, T, t) - p(n) and let the probability distribution of the quantity W(T, t) = W = J'tt+r I(t') dr', where I(t) is the intensity of linearly polarized light incident on the photodetector (for simplicity we assume that the sensitivity of the photocathode is a = 1), be P(W). The quantity W can be regarded as a classical characteristic of the field, the quantity n represents the quantum characteristic of the field. Then, on the basis of such a semi-classical description, in which the field is described classically, but its interaction is described quantum-wise, one can derive the following relation [6]
In this paper, we consider the photoelectron counting distribution when the wave field incident on the detector is a mixture of harmonic signal and thermal noise. An expression for the factorial moment-generating function of the number of counts is obtained in terms of the eigenvalues of an associated integral equation. This expression is then used to evaluate the factorial cumulants of the number of counts. The results are valid for an arbitrary counting interval. The extension to photoelectron counting with several detectors is considered in paper II of the present investigation.
Classical and quantum scattering of a non-Gaussian wave packet by a rectangular barrier is studied in terms of arrival times to a given detector location. A classical wave equation, proposed by N. Rosen [{\it{Am. J. Phys.}} {\bf 32} (1964) 377], is used to study the corresponding classical dynamics. Mean arrival times are then computed and compared for different values of initial wave packet parameters and barrier width. The agreement is improved in the large mass limit as one expects. A short comment on the possibility of generalization of Rosen's proposal to a two-body system is given. Differences in distributions of particles obeying different statistics are studied by considering a system composed of two free particles.