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The Mathematical Intelligencer

Confusion about Bohm

Mary Beth Ruskai

Published Sep 1, 2001• 0 citations
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10.1007/bf03024599

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In some textbooks on quantum mechanics, the description of flux quantization in a superconductor ring based on the Aharonov-Bohm effect may lead some readers to a (wrong) conclusion that flux quantization occurs as well for a long solenoid with the same quantization condition in which the charge of cooper pair 2e2e2e is replaced by the charge of one electron eee. It is shown how this confusion arises and how can one avoid it.