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Reply to Georgiev: No-Go for Georgiev’s No-Go Theorem

Henry Pierce Stapp

Published May 6, 2015• 1 citation
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Abstract

Danko Georgiev has published a series of papers that claim that the Quantum Zeno Effect that I employ in my explanation of how our minds are able to influence our actions is nullifies by environmental decoherence effects. I give here a simple proof that environmental decoherence does not nullify the quantum Zeno effect.
DOI
10.14704/nq.2015.13.2.851

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