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arXiv:2512.17623

The threshold for quantum-classical correspondence is $D \sim \hbar^{\frac43}$

Felipe Hernández, Daniel Ranard, C. Jess Riedel

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Abstract

In chaotic quantum systems, an initially localized quantum state can deviate strongly from the corresponding classical phase-space distribution after the Ehrenfest time $t_{\mathrm{E}} \sim \log(\hbar^{-1})$, even in the limit $\hbar \to 0$. Decoherence by the environment is often invoked to explain the persistence of the quantum-classical correspondence at longer timescales. Recent rigorous results for Lindblad dynamics with phase-space diffusion strength $D$ show that quantum and classical evolutions remain close for times that are exponentially longer than the Ehrenfest time whenever $D \gg \hbar^{\frac43}$, in units set by the classical Hamiltonian. At the same time, some heuristic arguments have suggested the weaker condition $D \gg \hbar^{2}$ always suffices. Here we construct an explicit Lindbladian that demonstrates that the scaling $D \sim \hbar^{\frac43}$ is indeed the threshold for quantum-classical correspondence beyond the Ehrenfest time. Our example uses a smooth time-dependent Hamiltonian and linear Lindblad operators generating homogeneous isotropic diffusion. It exhibits an $\hbar$-independent quantum-classical discrepancy at the Ehrenfest time whenever $D \ll \hbar^{\frac43}$, even for $\hbar$-independent "macroscopic" smooth observables.

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In chaotic quantum systems, an initially localized quantum state can deviate strongly from the corresponding classical phase-space distribution after the Ehrenfest time tE∼log⁡(ℏ−1)t_{\mathrm{E}} \sim \log(\hbar^{-1})tE​∼log(ℏ−1), even in the limit ℏ→0\hbar \to 0ℏ→0. Decoherence by the environment is often invoked to explain the persistence of the quantum-classical correspondence at longer timescales. Recent rigorous results for Lindblad dynamics with phase-space diffusion strength DDD show that quantum and classical evolutions remain close for times that are exponentially longer than the Ehrenfest time whenever D≫ℏ43D \gg \hbar^{\frac43}D≫ℏ34​, in units set by the classical Hamiltonian. At the same time, some heuristic arguments have suggested the weaker condition D≫ℏ2D \gg \hbar^{2}D≫ℏ2 always suffices. Here we construct an explicit Lindbladian that demonstrates that the scaling D∼ℏ43D \sim \hbar^{\frac43}D∼ℏ34​ is indeed the threshold for quantum-classical correspondence beyond the Ehrenfest time. Our example uses a smooth time-dependent Hamiltonian and linear Lindblad operators generating homogeneous isotropic diffusion. It exhibits an ℏ\hbarℏ-independent quantum-classical discrepancy at the Ehrenfest time whenever D≪ℏ43D \ll \hbar^{\frac43}D≪ℏ34​, even for ℏ\hbarℏ-independent "macroscopic" smooth observables.
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