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arXiv:2509.07096 · Physical Review A

Thermodynamics of readout devices and semiclassical gravity

Samuel Fedida, Adrian Kent

Published Dec 16, 2025• 0 citations
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Abstract

We analyze the common claim that nonlinear modifications of quantum theory necessarily violate the second law of thermodynamics. We focus on hypothetical extensions of quantum theory that contain readout devices. These black boxes provide a classical description of quantum states without perturbing them. They allow quantum state cloning, though in a way consistent with the relativistic no-signalling principle. We review the existence of such devices in the context of Møller-Rosenfeld semiclassical gravity, which postulates that the gravitational field remains classical and is sourced by the expectation value of a quantum energy-momentum tensor. We show that the definition of information in the models examined in this paper deviates from that given by von Neumann entropy, and that claims of second law violations based on the distinguishability of nonorthogonal states or on violations of uncertainty principles fail to hold in such theories.

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10.1103/bpwh-1pkf

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