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arXiv:2412.19885 · SciPost Physics

Estimating time in quantum chaotic systems and black holes

Haifeng Tang, Shreya Vardhan, Jinzhao Wang

Published Oct 13, 2025• 1 citation
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Abstract

We characterize new universal features of the dynamics of chaotic quantum many-body systems, by considering a hypothetical task of “time estimation”. Most macroscopic observables in a chaotic system equilibrate to nearly constant late-time values. Intuitively, it should become increasingly difficult to estimate the precise value of time by making measurements on the state. We use a quantity called the Fisher information from quantum metrology to quantify the minimum uncertainty in estimating time. Due to unitarity, the uncertainty in the time estimate does not grow with time if we have access to optimal measurements on the full system. Restricting the measurements to act on a small subsystem or to have low computational complexity leads to results expected from equilibration, where the time uncertainty becomes large at late times. With optimal measurements on a subsystem larger than half of the system, we regain the ability to estimate the time very precisely, even at late times. Hawking’s calculation for the reduced density matrix of the black hole radiation in semiclassical gravity contradicts our general predictions for unitary quantum chaotic systems. Hawking’s state always has a large uncertainty for attempts to estimate the time using the radiation, whereas our general results imply that the uncertainty should become small after the Page time. This gives a new version of the black hole information loss paradox in terms of the time estimation task. By restricting to simple measurements on the radiation, the time uncertainty becomes large. This indicates from a new perspective that the observations of computationally bounded agents are consistent with the semiclassical effective description of gravity.

DOI
10.21468/scipostphys.19.4.095

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In this work, we develop a quantum metrological framework for quantum chaos by showing that local subsystems of information scrambling systems naturally function as quantum stopwatches. The reduced quantum state of a subsystem encodes the passage of time through its growing distinguishability from the initial preparation. Treating time as the estimation parameter, we then derive a generalized quantum Cramer-Rao bound that directly relates the precision of time estimation to the decay of out-of-time ordered correlators (OTOCs) and subsystem quantum Fisher information (QFI). As a main result, we obtain continuity bounds for quantum Lyapunov exponent in terms of the subsystem QFI in quantumly chaotic dynamics. Furthermore, using a scaling analysis based on imaginary-time correlators, we show that the subsystem QFI exhibits universal critical amplification near quantum phase transitions. Our results are demonstrated and verified by a numerical analysis of the dynamics of a chaotic Ising chain.
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