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arXiv:2307.13711

Derivation of the Time-Dependent Schrödinger Equation from the Time-Independent One

Н.А. Винокуров

Published Jul 25, 2023• 0 citations
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Abstract

A derivation of the time-dependent Schrödinger equation from the time-independent one is considered. Instead of time, the coordinate of an additional degree of freedom, the clock, is introduced into the original time-independent Schrödinger equation. It is shown that the standard time-dependent Schrödinger equation can be obtained for the semiclassical clock only. For elucidation of the physical meaning of the equation obtained in this way, various types of clocks are discussed. In addition, the corresponding equation for the density matrix and formulas for the mean values of operators are derived.

DOI
10.48550/arxiv.2307.13711

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The local conservation of a physical quantity whose distribution changes with time is mathematically described by the continuity equation. The corresponding time parameter, however, is defined with respect to an idealized classical clock. We consider what happens when this classical time is replaced by a nonrelativistic quantum-mechanical description of the clock. From the clock-dependent Schr\"odinger equation (as an analog of the time-dependent Schr\"odinger equation) we derive a continuity equation, where, instead of a time derivative, an operator occurs that depends on the flux (probability current) density of the clock. This clock-dependent continuity equation can be used to analyze the dynamics of a quantum system and to study degrees of freedom that may be used as internal clocks for an approximate description of the dynamics of the remaining degrees of freedom. As an illustration, we study a simple model for coupled electron-nuclear dynamics and interpret the nuclei as quantum clock for the electronic motion. We find that whenever the Born-Oppenheimer approximation is valid, the continuity equation shows that the nuclei are the only relevant clock for the electrons.
Abstract A discussion of the physical meaning of the Schrödinger wave equation can not only constitute an exciting introduction to some of the more abstract ideas of quantum mechanics, but serves more generally as a useful demonstration of the application of mathematics to modern physics. This frontline uses physical concepts and mathematical techniques that would be accessible to a sufficiently interested secondary school student, in order to derive the simplest, one-dimensional case of the time-independent Schrödinger equation: the derivation relies only upon aspects of Newtonian/wave mechanics, quantum theory, complex numbers and calculus that would be covered in an advanced secondary school syllabus.
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