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arXiv:2112.04028 · Results in Physics

Quantum frames of reference and the noncommutative values of observables

Otto C. W. Kong

Published Nov 29, 2021• 12 citations
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Abstract

Based on a recent relational formulation of quantum reference frame transformations, especially with a case of quantum spatial translations in particular, we analyzed how the ‘value’ of an observable for a fixed state change. That is the exact analog of the classical description, for example, of the value of the x-coordinate for a particle decrease by 2 units when we perform a translation of the reference frame putting the new origin at x=2. The essence of the quantum reference frame transformations is to have the quantum fluctuations, and even entanglement, of the physical object which serves as the (new) reference frame, taken into account. We illustrate how the recently introduced notion of the noncommutative values of quantum observables gives such a definite description successfully. Formulations, and an analysis of a case example in qubit systems, of analog transformations for observables with a discrete or finite spectrum is also presented. Issues about the evolving picture of the symmetry system of all quantum reference frame transformations discussed.

DOI
10.1016/j.rinp.2021.105033

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Based on a recent relational formulation of quantum reference frame transformations, especially with a case of quantum spatial translations in particular, we analyzed how the ‘value’ of an observable for a fixed state change. That is the exact analog of the classical description, for example, of the value of the x-coordinate for a particle decrease by 2 units when we perform a translation of the reference frame putting the new origin at x=2. The essence of the quantum reference frame transformations is to have the quantum fluctuations, and even entanglement, of the physical object which serves as the (new) reference frame, taken into account. We illustrate how the recently introduced notion of the noncommutative values of quantum observables gives such a definite description successfully. Formulations, and an analysis of a case example in qubit systems, of analog transformations for observables with a discrete or finite spectrum is also presented. Issues about the evolving picture of the symmetry system of all quantum reference frame transformations discussed.
Abstract The subject of quantum reference frame transformations gets popular lately with some interesting new theoretical development partly for the reason that the physics involved is becoming experimentally accessible. The position of a position eigenstate when observed from an object with ‘uncertainty’ in position would be seen with ‘uncertainty’. In fact, even the existence of entanglement is reference frame-dependent. We present an improved formulation of such a transformation and give a novel way to describe exactly by ‘how much’ the ‘value of the position’ has changed which fully encodes all information about the changes, including the ‘uncertainty’ and entanglement. That is an application of the notion of noncommutative values of physical quantities we introduced to understand the reality of quantum physics and beyond. Some implications on fundamental physics will also be discussed. In particular, we suggest thinking about quantum gravity as a theory of general quantum relativity, alleviating Penrose’s notion of incompatibility of qauntum mechanics with the relativity principle.
Abstract Quantum reference frame as in the example of observing a quantum particle from another has been a topic of much recent interest. Quantum spatial translations, quantum rotations, and quantum Lorentz boosts in the sense have been studied to some extent. The article aims at using a consistent formulation of all that to give a full picture of what would be the symmetry of Special Quantum Relativity as special relativity as seen from quantum particles. We first look at a direct formulation of the mathematical quantum analog of any classical one-parameter Lie group of such transformations suggested by our Heisenberg picture thinking of quantum mechanics. A quantum rotation and a quantum Lorentz boost are presented. Analysis of the compositions of two such transformations shows unnatural results with various problems, especially with their commutators. From a physical point of view, we argue for a modified formulation. A quantum reference frame transformation, as the description of firstly the spacetime position of an object, idealized as a particle, as seen from another has to involve a full set of four-coordinate quantum quantities instead of one in a single coordinate only. Unlike the classical case, we illustrate that the analog of a change by the zero classical coordinate values has nontrivial effects in the transformation. A consistent full picture of the symmetry is then obtained. Results that could be interpreted essentially as the quantum analogs of the translation of a single coordinate observable, including angular ones for a rotation or a boost, can be retrieved from that but only as approximations. Under the traditional perspective of relativity symmetry being about spacetime reference frames, our task is then completed. We further look at the quantum version of Heisenberg–Weyl symmetry and perspectives on its relation with the subject matter and argue for the necessity of our background noncommutative geometric perspective for a conceptual consistent story.
Quantum reference frames are needed in quantum theory for much the same reasons that reference frames are in classical theories: to manifest invariance in line with fundamental relativity principles and to provide a basis for the definition of observable quantities. Though around since the 1960s, and used in a wide range of applications, only recently has the means for transforming descriptions between different quantum reference frames been tackled in detail. In this work, we provide a general, operationally motivated framework for quantum reference frames and their transformations, holding for locally compact groups. The work is built around the notion of operational equivalence, in which quantum states that cannot be physically distinguished are identified. For example, we describe the collection of relative observables as a subspace of the algebra of invariants on the composite of system and frame, and from here the set of relative states is constructed through the identification of states which cannot be distinguished by relative observables. Through the notion of framed observables – the formation of joint observables of system and frame – of which the relative observables can be understood as examples, quantum reference frame transformations are then maps between equivalence classes of relative states which respect the framing. We give an explicit realisation in the setting that the initial frame admits a highly localized state with respect to the frame observable. The transformations are invertible exactly when the final frame also has such a localizability property. The procedure we present is in operational agreement with other recent inequivalent constructions on the domain of common applicability, but extends them in a number of ways, and weakens claims of entanglement generation through frame changes.
A fully relational quantum theory necessarily requires an account of changes of quantum reference frames, where quantum reference frames are quantum systems relative to which other systems are described. By introducing a relational formalism which identifies coordinate systems with elements of a symmetry group G, we define a general operator for reversibly changing between quantum reference frames associated to a group G. This generalises the known operator for translations and boosts to arbitrary finite and locally compact groups, including non-Abelian groups. We show under which conditions one can uniquely assign coordinate choices to physical systems (to form reference frames) and how to reversibly transform between them, providing transformations between coordinate systems which are 'in a superposition' of other coordinate systems. We obtain the change of quantum reference frame from the principles of relational physics and of coherent change of reference frame. We prove a theorem stating that the change of quantum reference frame consistent with these principles is unitary if and only if the reference systems carry the left and right regular representations of G. We also define irreversible changes of reference frame for classical and quantum systems in the case where the symmetry group G is a semidirect product G=N (sic) P or a direct product G = N x P, providing multiple examples of both reversible and irreversible changes of quantum reference system along the way. Finally, we apply the relational formalism and changes of reference frame developed in this work to the Wigner's friend scenario, finding similar conclusions to those in relational quantum mechanics using an explicit change of reference frame as opposed to indirect reasoning using measurement operators.
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