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arXiv:1712.00081 · Quantum

Quantizing time: Interacting clocks and systems

Alexander R. H. Smith, Mehdi Ahmadi

Published Jul 8, 2019• 98 citations
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Abstract

This article generalizes the conditional probability interpretation of time in which time evolution is realized through entanglement between a clock and a system of interest. This formalism is based upon conditioning a solution to the Wheeler-DeWitt equation on a subsystem of the Universe, serving as a clock, being in a state corresponding to a time t . Doing so assigns a conditional state to the rest of the Universe | ψ S ( t ) ⟩ , referred to as the system. We demonstrate that when the total Hamiltonian appearing in the Wheeler-DeWitt equation contains an interaction term coupling the clock and system, the conditional state | ψ S ( t ) ⟩ satisfies a time-nonlocal Schrödinger equation in which the system Hamiltonian is replaced with a self-adjoint integral operator. This time-nonlocal Schrödinger equation is solved perturbatively and three examples of clock-system interactions are examined. One example considered supposes that the clock and system interact via Newtonian gravity, which leads to the system's Hamiltonian developing corrections on the order of G / c 4 and inversely proportional to the distance between the clock and system.

DOI
10.22331/q-2019-07-08-160

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This article generalizes the conditional probability interpretation of time in which time evolution is realized through entanglement between a clock and a system of interest. This formalism is based upon conditioning a solution to the Wheeler-DeWitt equation on a subsystem of the Universe, serving as a clock, being in a state corresponding to a time t . Doing so assigns a conditional state to the rest of the Universe | ψ S ( t ) ⟩ , referred to as the system. We demonstrate that when the total Hamiltonian appearing in the Wheeler-DeWitt equation contains an interaction term coupling the clock and system, the conditional state | ψ S ( t ) ⟩ satisfies a time-nonlocal Schrödinger equation in which the system Hamiltonian is replaced with a self-adjoint integral operator. This time-nonlocal Schrödinger equation is solved perturbatively and three examples of clock-system interactions are examined. One example considered supposes that the clock and system interact via Newtonian gravity, which leads to the system's Hamiltonian developing corrections on the order of G / c 4 and inversely proportional to the distance between the clock and system.
Canonical quantization applied to closed systems leads to static equations, the Wheeler-deWitt equation in Quantum Gravity and the time independent Schrödinger equation in Quantum Mechanics. How to restore time is the Problem of Time(s). Integrating developments are: a) entanglement of a microscopic system with its classical environment accords it a time evolution description, the time dependent Schrödinger equation, where t is the laboratory time measured by clocks; b) canonical quantization of Special Relativity yields both the Dirac Hamiltonian and a self adjoint "time" operator, restoring to position and time the equivalent footing accorded to energy and momentum in Relativistic Quantum Mechanics. It introduces an intrinsic time property τ associated with the mass of the system, and a basis additional to the usual configuration, momentum and energy basis. As a generator of momentum displacements and consequently of energy, it invalidates Pauli's objection to the existence of a time operator. It furthermore complies with the requirements to condition the other observables in the conditional interpretation of QG. As Pauli's objection figures explicit or implicitly in most current developments of QM and QG, its invalidation opens to research the effect of this new two times perspective on such developments.
The `problem of time' remains an unresolved issue in all known physical descriptions of the Universe. One aspect of this problem is the conspicuous absence of time in the Wheeler-Dewitt equation, which is the analogue of the Schrodinger equation for the Universal wavefunction. Page and Wootters famously addressed this problem by providing a mechanism for effectively introducing time evolution into this timeless cosmological picture. Their method, which is sometimes called the conditional probability interpretation (CPI), requires the identification of an internal clock system that is meant to keep time for the remainder of the Universe. Most investigations into this idea employ the idealized limit of a non-interacting clock system, the so-called ideal clock. However, by allowing for interactions, we have found the counter-intuitive result that a non-interacting clock is not necessarily the optimal choice, even if it is `ideal'. In particular, the uncertainty that is associated with the physical measurement of an atomic clock is found to decrease monotonically as the interactions grow stronger. This observation, which is reinforced by a previous study using a semi-classical clock, paves the way to an independent argument that is based on the energy conservation of any isolated system. Our conclusion is that ideal clocks must be prohibited from the CPI when recovering cosmological time evolution. Interactions are necessary for describing time evolution as a strict matter of principle. Lastly, we also consider the implications of this result for the experience of time in the evolution of the Universe.
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Abstract The Wheeler-DeWitt equation provides a model of the Universe as a timeless, isolated system. Page and Wootters developed the conditional probability interpretation (CPI) to account for the experience of time within this timeless model by identifying part of the Universe as the clock. In resolving criticisms of the CPI, some investigators have since concluded that the clock must be completely isolated from the remainder of the Universe. This isolation has also been used to reinforce the conclusion that time must be an illusion. However, some interactions must exist between all subsystems of the Universe as gravitational effects, however weak, cannot be shielded. Here, we present the results of an investigation which used a toy model to consider the implications of including interactions. Although counter intuitive, their inclusion is seen to directly correlate with the accuracy of measurements of the clock state. The case is then made that, if interactions are indeed a necessary feature of the CPI, the viability of treating time as an illusion needs to be reconsidered. We conclude that the experience of time can be interpreted as a real phenomenon, which naturally incorporates an arrow of time, once interactions are taken seriously in the CPI paradigm.
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One of the problems of quantum cosmology follows from the fact that the Hamiltonian H of classical general relativity equals zero. Quantizing canonically in the Schrodinger picture, the Schrodinger equation for the wave function Ψ of the universe is therefore the so-called Wheeler-DeWitt equation (where Ĥ is the operator version of H) and we have no quantum dynamics. In particular, it follows directly that, if Ȓ is the operator representing the radius of the universe, where <Ȓ>ψ = Ψ<|Ȓ|>Ψ, for every Ψ. The universe described by (1) does not expand. But worse still is the fact that there is no time development, contrary to our experience. Like a particle in an eigenstate of zero energy, the state of the universe does not change. The still universe resulting from (1) is a manifestation of the more general “problem of time” afflicting canonical quantum gravity. Despite rare claims to the contrary, most consider it to be a serious difficulty for quantum cosmology.