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arXiv:0803.4488 · The Philosophical Magazine A Journal of Theoretical Experimental and Applied Physics

The Schrödinger–Newton equation as a possible generator of quantum state reduction

Jasper van Wezel, Jeroen van den Brink

Published Apr 11, 2008• 12 citations
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Abstract

It has been suggested by Diósi and Penrose that the occurrence of quantum state reduction in macroscopic objects is related to a manifestation of gravitational effects in quantum mechanics. Although within Penrose's framework the dynamics of the quantum state reduction is not prescribed, it was suggested that the so-called Schrödinger–Newton equation can be used to at least identify the resulting classical end states. Here we analyse the extent to which the Schrödinger–Newton equation can be used as a model to generate a full, time-dependent description of the quantum state reduction process. We find that when supplied with an imaginary gravitational potential, the Schrödinger–Newton equation offers a rationalization for some of the hitherto unexplained characteristics of quantum state reduction. The description remains incomplete however, because it is unclear how to fully recover Born's rule.

DOI
10.1080/14786430802251439

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It has been suggested by Diósi and Penrose that the occurrence of quantum state reduction in macroscopic objects is related to a manifestation of gravitational effects in quantum mechanics. Although within Penrose's framework the dynamics of the quantum state reduction is not prescribed, it was suggested that the so-called Schrödinger–Newton equation can be used to at least identify the resulting classical end states. Here we analyse the extent to which the Schrödinger–Newton equation can be used as a model to generate a full, time-dependent description of the quantum state reduction process. We find that when supplied with an imaginary gravitational potential, the Schrödinger–Newton equation offers a rationalization for some of the hitherto unexplained characteristics of quantum state reduction. The description remains incomplete however, because it is unclear how to fully recover Born's rule.
We discuss aspects of gravitational modifications of Schrodinger dynamics proposed by Diosi and Penrose. We consider first the Diosi-Penrose criterion for gravitationally induced state vector reduction, and compute the reduction time expected for a superposition of a uniform density cubical solid in two positions displaced by a small fraction of the cube side. We show that the predicted effect is much smaller than would be observable in the proposed Marshall et al. mirror experiment. We then consider the ``Schrodinger -Newton'' equation for an N-particle system. We show that in the independent particle approximation, it differs from the usual Hartree approximation applied to the Newtonian potential by self-interaction terms, which do not have a consistent Born rule interpretation. This raises doubts about the use of the Schrodinger-Newton equation to calculate gravitational effects on molecular interference experiments. When the effects of Newtonian gravitation on molecular diffraction are calculated using the standard many-body Schrodinger equation, no washing out of the interference pattern is predicted.
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We discuss aspects of gravitational modifications of Schrödinger dynamics proposed by Diósi and Penrose. We consider first the Diósi–Penrose criterion for gravitationally induced state vector reduction, and compute the reduction time expected for a superposition of a uniform density cubical solid in two positions displaced by a small fraction of the cube side. We show that the predicted effect is much smaller than would be observable in the proposed Marshall et al mirror experiment. We then consider the 'Schrödinger–Newton' equation for an N -particle system. We show that in the independent particle approximation, it differs from the usual Hartree approximation applied to the Newtonian potential by self-interaction terms, which do not have a consistent Born rule interpretation. This raises doubts about the use of the Schrödinger–Newton equation to calculate gravitational effects on molecular interference experiments. When the effects of Newtonian gravitation on molecular diffraction are calculated using the standard many-body Schrödinger equation, no washing out of the interference pattern is predicted.
We consider the model of the self-gravity driven spontaneous wavefunction reduction proposed by L. Diosi, R. Penrose et al. and based on a self-consistent system of Schrödinger and Poisson equations. An analogous system of coupled Dirac and Maxwell-like equations is proposed as a relativization. Regular solutions to the latter form a discrete spectrum in which all the “active” gravitational masses are always positive, and approximately equal to inertial masses and to the mass [Formula: see text] of the quanta of Dirac field up to the corrections of order [Formula: see text]. Here [Formula: see text] is the gravitational analogue of the fine structure constant negligibly small for nucleons. In the limit [Formula: see text] the model reduces back to the nonrelativistic Schrödinger-Newton one. The equivalence principle is fulfilled with an extremely high precision. The above solutions correspond to various states of the same (free) particle rather than to different particles. These states possess a negligibly small difference in characteristics but essentially differ in the widths of the wavefunctions. For the ground state the latter is [Formula: see text] times larger the Compton length, so that a nucleon cannot be sufficiently localized to model the reduction process.
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Modern developments in condensed matter and cold atom physics have made the realization of macroscopic quantum states in the laboratory everyday practice. The ready availability of these states suggests the possibility of experimentally investigating different proposals for the mechanism of quantum state reduction. One such proposal is the hypothesis of Penrose and Diósi, according to which quantum state reduction is a manifestation of the incompatibilty of general relativity and the unitary time evolution of quantum physics. Dimensional analysis suggests that Schrödinger cat type states should collapse on measurable time-scales when masses and lengths of the order of bacterial scales are involved. We analyse this hypothesis in the context of the modern experimental realizations of macroscopic quantum states. First we consider ‘micromechanical’ quantum states, analysing the capacity of an atomic force microscopy based single spin detector to measure the gravitational state reduction, but we conclude that it seems impossible to suppress environmental decoherence to the required degree. We subsequently discuss ‘split’ cold atom condensates to find out that these are at present lacking the required mass-scale by many orders of magnitude. We then extend Penrose's analysis to superpositions of mass current carrying states, and we apply this to the flux quantum bits realized in superconducting circuits. We find that the flux qubits approach the scale where gravitational state reduction should become measurable, but bridging the few remaining orders of magnitude appears to be very difficult with present day technology.